FTF problems....

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Dr. Marneaus, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    Well,

    I took my Springfield 1911 (basic GI style) out this week and was having a bunch of issues with failing to feed.

    The slide would stick with the round halfway into the chamber. If i gave it a slight (literally, very slight) nudge on the back of the slide it'd pop into place. this probably happened on 10 out of 24 rounds. I'd shoot it, it'd work for 1 or 3 shots, then fail to feed correctly, then it'd work for a few, then not.

    I was shooting the Winchester white box FMJ stuff, 235 grain I believe. I've had this happen once or twice in the past, but never like this.

    Mag problem? Using the chip mccormic shooting star mags.

    Maybe an increased power recoil spring? Like I said, it just took a slight nudge, maybe it just didn't have enough oomph to get it up there? If so, what spring rating would be heavier than my stock one?

    Maybe a combo of the 2?

    any help would be good!
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I am thinking you need to polish the feed ramp first. If you are talking slight pressure to get it to go into battery, your recoil spring is probably plenty strong enough. If you had to "thumb it" into battery like you would do with a shell going into a magazine, then you might have a spring problem.

    A lot of 1911's are claimed to need about 200 or 300 rounds through them to "work them in". I have never experienced this problem, but I also have purchased more higher end 1911's from the get go.

    What's the feed ramp look like? Does it look like a mirror with no visible problems, edges, or surface scratches? If so, then maybe you have a spring issue, but I am better a polished feed ramp would fix your problem.

    You have good mags and from the sounds of things it takes VERY little pressure to get it to go into battery. That sounds like very slight resistance of the nose of the bullet on your feed ramp to me... of course I can't see it, so I am only guess....

    JD
     

  3. Dr. Marneaus

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    It's polished to a damn near mirror shine. It WAS covered in tool marks, so i went to work on it very gently with some 400 grit sand paper then polishing compound. You can still see some of the marks (i didnt take it down too far) but it's smoother than glass and has a high polish.

    I guess I should have phrased it different, I do have to tap it with my thumb. I dont have to shove it with y thumb, but it requires a nudge. This is what's leading me to believe it's the spring.

    Any idea of what the weight of the bring that came stock with it would be? I'm not sure what I'd need to upgrade to.
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    You might be lip wristing it just a tad, Marn.

    Did you and Terry go out? Anyone else shoot it?
     
  5. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    If you already did the feed ramp, then I am inclined to agree with Matt, you might be limping it a bit BUT, I believe the normal weight spring is around 12 to 14 pounds.

    I changed out mine to 18 Pounds before I ever fired them in my full size guns to handle +P loads, direct from the manufacturer's recommendation. My T3 came with a +P rated spring kit already.

    Do you have any other reports from someone else shooting it with the same results?
     
  6. SGT-MILLER

    SGT-MILLER New Member

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    I have to say that I have yet to see a 1911 fail to function because of a limp wrist.

    I willing to bet that the spring might be the culprit. Take the pistol and cycle the slide very slowly (unloaded of course, and with no magazine). If the slide just stops short of going back into full battery, then the spring is bad for some reason. I know this works for other sidearms, so I assume that the same test will work for the 1911 platforms.

    Good you get it up and running right.
     
  7. Dr. Marneaus

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    I went out, not with Terry this time, but with some other folks, one of which has been shooting all his life.

    I've never had it act like this, to this extent. It happened when all 3 of us shot it this time. Like I said, it's happened a few times in the past, but not as bad, odd that it happened AFTER I polished the feed ramp. Faily positive i'm not limp wristing it, only time i ever had an issue with that was shooting it 1 handed with my non-dominant hand, and then it still functioned perfectly, just kept launching brass at my face, haha.

    Thanks for all the advice so far. I love the gun, just funky that it's doing this. It could be the ammo I suppose? I know the WWB stuff is super popular range stuff, but maybe my pistol just doesn't agree with it?

    I'll probably be making a parts order before to long (next week or 2) and might as well pick up a spring if i cannot figure it out...they're cheap atleast.
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You have more than just one magazine right? And does it do it with more than just that one type of ammo?
     
  9. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    I'v only ever fed that white box crap through it, and white box JHP's. Those were a little worse, but got better after i got new mags. I have 2 shooting star mags and 1 nondescript (stock?) mag. The stock one always sticks on the last round because of the pimple on the follower, it seems like maybe the gun hasn't had enough "return" power the entire time I've owned it, now that I think about that mag...It should be able to overcome that little bump on the follower, i'd think.

    I can get pics of stuff when i get home.

    Only modification i can think that would have ANYTHING to do with it would be the barrel bushing i installed this weekend, however, it fit almost EXACTLY the same as the stock one, right out of the box.
     
  10. CA357

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    Please don't take this the wrong way, since I don't know you or your habits.

    Did you lube the slide really well? I lube the outside of the barrel slightly and the inside of the barrel bushing a wee bit as well. I like to run my 1911's a bit wetter than my other pistols.
     
  11. Dr. Marneaus

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    I put a little oil on the slide rails, but that's about it.
     
  12. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    It may help and it sure couldn't hurt to lube it well after you clean it. Keep us informed and good luck.
     
  13. canebrake

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    Two things Doc;
    Have you changed lube brand lately? I went from good 'ol REM oil to some ULTRALUBE synthetic $hit that caused me to chase my tail looking for a fix for my FTF problem. After exhausting every avenue I went back to REM oil and presto, the FTF was gone. Needles to say I pitched the synthetic and have a troublefree running gun!

    The second thingie, swap back to the old barrel bushing and see what happens.

    Let me know what you find. [​IMG]
     
  14. canebrake

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    I see you are going to re-spring the gun.

    I would highly recomend you take a look at the ISMI recoil springs. I like them for the same reason I like Tripp Research Cobra Mags, its all the company makes and when your entire R&D budget is focused on one item you tend to produce a quality product.

    Go here and read:

    ISMI Gunsprings, Made in the U.S.A.

    ISMI springs that incorporate current technology and are competivitly priced with the 'same 'ol" music wire springs from 1890s! And they come with a one year warranty!

    "12 Month Replacement Warranty extends beyond just materials and workmanship. We even cover failure due to wear. Failure due to wear is not some arbitrary figure: if your ISMI 1911 Recoil Spring loses more than 0.375” of free length in 12 months it will be replaced at NO CHARGE (no shipping charge when sent by US Mail) regardless of the number of rounds fired."

    Any other spring sellers offering a warranty regardless of the number of shots fired?

    What I do is change out my spring every year and ship it back to ISMI. If its bad, they send me a new spring. If its good, I have proof that my purchase was worth the effort. Now here's the secret, don't buy them from ISMI, go to MidwayUSA and get them for less!

    MidwayUSA - ISMI Recoil Spring 1911 Government 16 lb Chrome Silicon

    I would try three, the 15#, 16# and an 18#. After you try the suggested fixes from the members, start your tuning with the above springs.

    Please post some feedback. [​IMG]
     
  15. bs369

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    Ftf

    How many rounds have you put thru it? My S/S TRP took about 100 rounds of FMJ to get to shoot anything I put thru it. Looking at the Kimber manual they recommend 400-500 rounds of FMJ for break-in purposes. I'm still waiting for my Kimber SIS Pro...Report will follow.
     
  16. 741512th

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    I would very much appreciate it if you updated this thread with your progress. You exactly described the same problem I've been consistently whining and bitching about with my Springfield 1911, and did so much more coherently. As such, I am incredibly interested in the solution, if you find one. Thanks.
     
  17. tallgeese

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    The only feed problem I ever had with my Springfield was a feed ramp that I had to get polished up. If that's taken care of, my next suggesstion would be to clean it real good and lube it out again.

    I use a tad more oil on the rail than my other weapons. Seems like everyone I know with about any brand of 1911 that has misfed has always been fixed by adding some drops to the rails.

    After that, I agree, get the spring looked at. That was the first hardware change I made in mine, along with a full length guide rod for it. This really helped the performance of it and was well worth the bit o coin on it.

    Let us know how this comes out for you.
     
  18. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    Wow!!! Everyone is super helpful, thanks folks.

    I'll def let you know my findings, maybe I can make it out this weekend to try it lubed up and whatnot, but I'm not sure.

    I've put maybe 300-400 rounds through it. It was also used when I bought it.

    Thanks,
    Andrew
     
  19. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Every 1911 will have feed and extraction problems if limp wristed. The gun won't come in and out of battery correctly and therefore, nothing else will work properly. I've seen it happen, first hand, on Colts, Kimbers, Paras, and Sigs.

    My wife carries a small scar on her chest from limp wristing my Kimber that resulted in a hot shell shooting back at her and lodging itself in her bra. Her follow up shot fed slowly like Marn is describing, then after being fired, stove piped. She handed the pistol to me, and I was able to fire the rest of the magazine without issue.
     
  20. Dr. Marneaus

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    Well, what better way to celebrate Easter than a little shooting?

    I'm headed out with the gun all lubed up and with a few parts in hand to see if i can come up with anything.

    I'm gonna be doing my CCW class next weekend, and want to be able to get this gun firing right before then, otherwise, it'll be sitting the class out. I never plan to carry it on me, but if i ever go hiking/camping etc, or maybe in the car, i figure it should be on my permit.

    I'll return with results.