RE: my Mcmansion and urban yuppie friends ETC..
This is the Hypothetical question scenario:
I was thinking of using either a 5.56MM or a 7.62x39MM carbine for home defense and I am concerned about over pen in home walls.
I don't wanna reach out & touch the neighbors so I am looking for some good (IE; reliable and reasonably accurate for its intended purpose) fragmenting or pre - fragmented ammo to solve this concern.
I am really hoping to get AMMO SUGGESTIONS,
not advice to get a (shoulder cant take the recoil anyway) shotgun.
All AMMO SUGGESTIONS or RELATED info. will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
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Capy:
I Am currently Writing this from my McMansion (Near SW Detroit the one time Murder Capitol of America) with the help of all my Yuppie girl friends while hangin out W/ their large-N-lovely McPuppies, drinking wine spritzers, and later on after we get really funky we'll have some sex on the beach a few times (the Drink) and then if we weren't so terribly square we could really rock out with our socks out. lol
now seriously:
I have a very great respect/affection for the shotty especially
when used for close range SD, and Yes I did grow a pair; I got myself some handguns/pistols many years ago.
I currently am using as home defense A Dan Wesson Custom/Custom 1911 in .45
a G23 in .40 and a Kahr P45 in .45 with others still in reserve.
YMMV
But . .
"This really is not a question or debate about Shottys and their performance" or SD handguns & ammo for that matter.
"I almost think this thread has been mistaken/hijacked for "the SD handgun & Shotty thread ".
Thank you all for the shotty posts and your Shotty questions.
"Look Above" I think everyone will find
THE PARAMETERS
of my question/s?
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Capy:
Real talk
W/O question I have never ever fired a 12 or a 20GA that was quite as easy as a 5.56MM (5.56 = almost no recoil) rifle is on my shoulder.
(Now a 20GA w/ very light squirrel loads) could be argued to not be all that much worse in the recoil DEPT. than an AK variant chambered in 7.62x39MM . . but . . given that choice I would still choose the AK s' lesser recoil with a larger round count capacity, quicker follow ups (for me), longer range easily shorter OA length, bull pup ETC. ETC. IE; more desirable to
/$/( "me")/$/
* In the mid 90" s' using various types of ammo from 3 " Slugs on down to small game (bird) loads I PERSONALLY tested out a Mosberg 590 12GA for various perf. parameters (IE; penetration, recoil, speed of follow up shots, ETC. durring my test I expended hundreds of rounds of just 0 Buck alone.
(I really liked that Shotty But I really HATED the RECOIL and I have checked out plenty (for me) of AUTOPSY results/case reports on the damage a 12 GA can do to the Human body at close range
.)
In short;
I am
VERY VERY satisfied for the moment on 12GA and SHOTTY SD INFO. most Especialy in this thread thanks.
YMMV
Thanks for your service to our country capy.
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(place Air raid horn sound here.)
This is a public service announcement:
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"Now" everyone.
Since I've been set straight now by most every poster in this thread on the fact that I'll have to make a Penetration/stopping power compromise if I use a 5.56MM or 7.62x39MM RIFLE instead of a 12 GA. He Man SHOTTY . .
(which BTW I both knew and did actually take into consideration before deciding to post that 1ST. post, please see it above above)
Can we please move on w/ this threads stated parameters and drop the SHOTTY & Handgun recommendations and INFO.???
Thank you gentle s' all.
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I will now pause for a moment for some Zen like breathing exercises . . In . . . . . . Out . . . . . . In . . . . . . Out . . . . . . ETC. . . .
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robocop10MM:
(Singing)
Hold up . . wait a MIN. . ETC . . .
(Normal voice)
Oops I almost forgot I have to Give out the MVP award and a shout out as well to . . my man! . . .
*robocop10MM*
for hookin me up on the DL an giving me the most valuable info. of anyone in this thread so far and being kind enough to the NOOOB to not beat me over the head W/ it either.
(which is a fine example for him to set for other *Ahem* *cough* forumites.)
robo really gave me a GOLD mine of info. on a very valuable side subject.
( Standing rob - ation )
Hey robo ? ! ?
(The Pun/s were def. intended bro.) lol
Thank you robo ! WHOO WHOO
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Now moving on so . . .
Heres another question for the thread in Gen. on the Side:
Has any one ever used or heard of RBCD Platinum Plus Ammo designed by R.Stoker from Performance Plus & J.Cirillo the late Former LEO who once worked for Detroit PD and I believe NY PD, U.S.Customs,
The U.S. (I think)Treasury ?
The ammo comes loaded in both handgun and rifle cals and in both totally fragmenting and partially fragmenting and penetrating special purpose LE/MIL only ammo.
Hey don't burn me as a witch; just because I'm curious!