Found some old guns in the attic...what are they?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Hood49, Sep 19, 2010.

  1. Hood49

    Hood49 New Member

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    Dear All,

    My grandfather died a few years ago. We are soring out the house and founds some firearms. I will post some pictures. Does somebody know what they are?

    Thanks:)

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  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Hi Hood and welcome here. I suggest that you post this in the Black Powder section of the forum. That may get you better response.

    When you get a chance, head over to the new Members Introduction forum and introduce yourself to the folks. :cool:
     

  3. BEYU

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    That is great advice from CA357.

    My very uneducated and general observations:

    The first one appears to be a flintlock pistol that was converted to percussion.

    You probably also noticed the ramrod is missing. It looks vaguely military to me, rather than say a civilian dueling pistol. I found one similar at this link:

    http://www.ambroseantiques.com/fpistols.htm

    Look for the one from the Napoleonic period.

    The second smaller pistol looks like a percussion cap pocket pistol , sometimes also referred to as a "derringer". It rather reminds me of the gun J. Wilkes Booth used to kill Lincoln. Go to this link and you'll see what I mean:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Booth_deringer.jpg

    Certainly the first gun seems to be in far worse shape than the second, but an expert could tell you if its of any value. Good luck.
     
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  4. Hood49

    Hood49 New Member

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    Thanks for your responses. I have some other pictures. Thanks for the advice regarding the Black Power Section.

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  5. bkt

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    Do I see the words "MADE IN ITALY" stamped on the barrel just forward of the trigger guard in that last pic? Looks like it might be a nice replica.
     
  6. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Holy mackerel, Hood!! What wonderful finds. Those are great looking old guns.
     
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  8. crazycharlie2

    crazycharlie2 New Member

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    The Derringer looks like a reproduction. 'Deringer' only one 'r' is the correct spelling. Reproductions okrkit guns are spelled with 2 r's.
    Nice find however. I would get them appraised regardless if they are authentic or not and keep them. After all, they are hand me downs from a family member and memories are not replaceable.:cool:;)
     
  9. gwyersiobhan

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    Sorry new girl in the joint ... absolutely No.1, 2 and 3 all "cap and ball" pistols ca. Napoleonic period. No.1 flintlock conversion .. No.3 looks like its had its barrel cut down I guess to facilitate concealment. What I think is interesting is that all three are "regular" folk's weapons, nothing fancy .. just work a day personal defense tools. I know in many of your states you can just go to your local sporting shop and purchase black powder, caps and bullets without having a permit .... but just don't even think about it! Quite a few similar turn up at militaria sales over here in the UK and Ireland.
     
  10. Hood49

    Hood49 New Member

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    I actually live near to Waterloo.

    Thanks for all your comments. I will take them to a few specialists. Most probably replicas.

    I also founds some knives with swastikas on it. It looks like they are from WW1. Jeez, I have to go up the attic again :)
     
  11. crazycharlie2

    crazycharlie2 New Member

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    Swastikas would be from WW-II.
     
  12. Hood49

    Hood49 New Member

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    Oops indeed, that would be from WW2. Although I heard that Swastikas were used in WW1 but not by the germans...
     
  13. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Document what you have and where / when you found them. I would recommend a check over by a smith if you plan on shooting them. Good looking guns.
     
  14. DrumJunkie

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    Those all look to be kit pistols. The screws look way too modern to be from when the originals where to be made.But I would take them to a qualified gunsmith/appraiser to be sure of just what they are. :)
     
  15. c3shooter

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    The markings and words on the guns tell the story. You may need a VERY strong light and a magnifier on older guns.

    The last, ornate flintlock is a modern, italian repro.

    When looking at muzzleloaders, couple of things to consider-

    The originals were deringers. Imitators were derringers. 2 R's.
    Anything that says "BLACK POWDER ONLY", well, at the time of the original, that was all there was- gun would not be so marked.
    DIKAR or JUKAR mark on barrel indicates a made in Spain modern repro. Used on a lot of CVA firearms.