For those who do not know carry conditions of 1911s

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  1. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    This is a good explanation of the different modes of carry.
    http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm


    The legendary guru of the combat 1911, Jeff Cooper, came up with the “Condition” system to define the state of readiness of the 1911-pattern pistol. They are:

    Condition 0 – A round is in the chamber, hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.
    Condition 1 – Also known as “cocked and locked,” means a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.
    Condition 2 – A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.
    Condition 3 – The chamber is empty and hammer is down with a charged magazine in the gun.
    Condition 4 – The chamber is empty, hammer is down and no magazine is in the gun.
    The mode of readiness preferred by the experts is Condition One. Generally speaking, Condition One offers the best balance of readiness and safety. Its biggest drawback is that it looks scary to people who don’t understand the operation and safety features of the pistol.

    Condition Two is problematic for several reasons, and is the source of more negligent discharges than the other conditions. When you rack the slide to chamber a round in the 1911, the hammer is cocked and the manual safety is off. There is no way to avoid this with the 1911 design. In order to lower the hammer, the trigger must be pulled and the hammer lowered slowly with the thumb onto the firing pin, the end of which is only a few millimeters away from the primer of a live round. Should the thumb slip, the hammer would drop and fire the gun. Not only would a round be launched in circumstances which would be at best embarrassing and possibly tragic, but also the thumb would be behind the slide as it cycled, resulting in serious injury to the hand. A second problem with this condition is that the true 1911A1 does not have a firing pin block and an impact on the hammer which is resting on the firing pin could conceivably cause the gun to go off, although actual instances of this are virtually nonexistent. Finally, in order to fire the gun, the hammer must be manually cocked, again with the thumb. In an emergency situation, this adds another opportunity for something to go wrong and slows the acquisition of the sight picture.

    Condition Three adds a degree of “insurance” against an accidental discharge since there is no round in the chamber. To bring the gun into action from the holster, the pistol must be drawn and the slide racked as the pistol is brought to bear on the target. This draw is usually called “the Israeli draw” since it was taught by Israeli security and defense forces. Some of the real expert trainers can do an Israeli draw faster than most of us can do a simple draw, but for most of us, the Israeli draw adds a degree of complexity, an extra step, and an opening for mistakes in the process of getting the front sight onto the target.

    Using the “half-cock” as a safety

    The half-cock notch on the M1911 is really intended as a “fail-safe” and is not recommended as a safety. However, it has been used as a mode of carry. From Dale Ireland comes this interesting piece of service history from WWII:

    When the hammer is pulled back just a few millimeters it “half cocks” and pulling the trigger will not fire the gun [on genuine mil-spec G.I. pistols]. I imagine this is an unsafe and not a recommended safety position. The reason I bring it up however is that it was a commonly used position especially by left-handers in WWII. My father carried his 1911 (not A1) to Enewitok, Leyte, first wave at Luzon, the battle inside Intramuros, and until he was finally shot near Ipo dam. He tells me that he regularly used the half cocked safety position especially at night and patrolling because bringing the weapon to the full cocked position from the half cocked created much less noise and he was left handed so he couldn’t use the thumb safety effectively. He said using the half cocked position was all about noise reduction for lefties while maintaining a small amount of safety that could quickly be released.

    Again, the half-cock is intended as a fail-safe in the event that the sear hooks were to fail, and it is not recommended as a mode of carry. It should also be noted that on guns with “Series 80″ type hammers, the hammer will fall from half-cock when the trigger is pulled. This would include guns from Springfield Armory and modern production Colts. But, if you happen to be a south paw and find yourself in the jungle with a G.I. M1911A1 and surrounded by enemy troops, the half-cock might be an option.
     
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  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    very good write up Dan.

    should be quite helpful and informative to those new or unfamiliar with the safeties on the 1911 style pistols.
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    only one thing ill nitpick on an otherwise excellent write up is condition 3 wasnt created by the israelis, they adopted it from the us manual of arms which has been sop for as far back as multi round firearms have been in our arsenal. it should be called the u.s. army draw. its still our sop today with the m9 berreta.
     
  4. 25-5

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    Danf
    Fine job!
    How about an explanation of Mr.Cooper's color code. I see a lot of green posts.
     
  5. Pasquanel

    Pasquanel Proud to be an American Supporter

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    Condition one is the way to carry a 1911! In half cock it's possible to just hang it on edge and it can and will go off when you least expect it! It has only happened to me once but once was enough!
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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  8. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The old USA military holsters had a step or shelf that was meant to rack the slide. As you drew the weapon you would push the front of the slide onto the shelf and rack the slide with a downward motion. I imagine some shot themselves in the leg because they could not keep the finger off of the trigger.
    There is also the term "Going off half cocked." That goes back to the single action revolvers.
     
  9. 25-5

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    Goes back to flintlocks actually.
     
  10. ICleanBrassWithJager

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    I'm thinking about looking for a used 1911 that I can get cheap and then fix up. This helped me understand the firing mechanism a little better. I'll do a bit more learning before I'm using one as a CCW. I don't carry a gun if I don't know exactly what it can and can't do, thank you very much.
     
  11. MisterMills

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    I have carried in Condition 0, but I was ready to fire, and it was in my hand, not my holster.
    And I have carried in Condition 1, cocked and locked and gun in my holster. It is a pretty scary thing to look at, if you are a a passerby, but it is as safe as can be. I was carrying it openly, in cocked and locked condition.
     
  12. Markd51

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    I've recently purchased a Colt 1911, and it is a Series 80 Pistol.

    As I understand, the Series 80 Firing System possesses a Firing Pin Block Safety also.

    While of course while not as ready to shoot as quickly as a cocked and locked Pistol, can I assume if the Hammer is dropped carefully-safely, can one then assume this is another safe way to carry if one chooses with a round in the Chamber?
    Thanks
     
  13. AmPaTerry

    AmPaTerry Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

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    I look forward to meeting you, Jeff -

    Condition one.
    ONLY way to carry a 1911.
     
  14. Seargent_York

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    This is why I prefer SA/DA triggers with a de-cocker as opposed to a safety on a SA only pistol. You get what is basically a 'condition 1.5':

    Round in chamber, hammer down, long first trigger pull or thumb-cock and you are ready to roll. Nothing to think about except the trigger
     
  15. Jammersix

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    The U.S. Army has a completely different set of conditions of readiness.

    Trained in one or trained in the other can lead to confusion.

    It's always best to specify which system you're using, just like the safety rules: the Cooper Four vs. the NRA system.