For audiophiles mainly !

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  1. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    First off , I think a picture is nessessary ok ? As in the picture , the big black box is a Velodine 18 inch , 3000 watt peak power with 2 1/2 inch excursion . It is rated at 2% total distortion at 120 decibels . To give you an idea , the threshold of pain is 115 decibels , 120 can render a person unconscious . Anyhow , we had a nasty little thunderstorm and lightening struck our power pole . It fried the transformer on the pole with a loud explosion . When power resumed , I checked my equipment for damage . I have exceptional protection against all things but something happened to my sub-out unit , the power that sends signals to my sub-woofer ! It was stuck and full power pulsing at over 125 decibels ! It broke a few windows and some China , Nicky-Nacky things before I could get to the breaker ! My neighbors thought a plane had crashed or something ! Eeeek.!

    I spent seven hours today rewireing my unit from sub-out optical hookup to direct in line wiring and since I had built the wall around my equipment , it took awhile fishing eight wires through the wall but SUCCESS ! :D I can again torment my neighbors ! :D I'll try to include my back wall array , bad ass ! :D
     

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  2. TankTop

    TankTop Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Maybe just a little jealous.... Imagine if if it were some La Scala's or Klipsch Horns that got hit by lightning!!!

    My dream setup would be some Maggie's but the power needed to run a sub to keep up is kinda pricey. You can put a ribbon tweeter (with a solid state crossover) on top of a Magnapan and the sound quality is unreal with just average amps.
     

  3. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The back wall !

    Very hard to get a good picture ,too much junk in the way ! There are two Logan Martin M40 s floor standing and the Small boxes above them are Martin Logan quadripoles same match as front speakers except the two Martin Logan book shelf speakers witch I run both as my center speakers .

    No I'm not rich , it was my specialty in my business .people would give me money to design entire packages , the custom anything you want cabinet and all the video and audio components . Good thing about buying whole systems , speakers , the video or TV and to build beautiful furniture or whole wall or sometimes whole rooms filled with sound , and very top end sound ! I once had a client over the phone while at a top of the line audio shops asking what was his cash limit ? I spent 120,000 on him alone ! Don't care if you believe it or not but let's move on ! Spending that much money opened the door for me to squeeze in a part or two at stupid discount prices . I built my whole system buy getting huge discounts on whole package deals . Like some hang out at gun shops , I was hanging at video audio shops regularly . It was a big part of my business . I'd built quite a few whole room systems and many custom furnishings over the years . I could not have afforded anything I have here if it weren't for spending so much money , clients money that I even got some things thrown in for free ! I'd been an audio Phile since my teens and always had nice sound systems , always ! :) I love music , too much and it worked out so well , truly blessed to incorporate my hobbies ,my passions as a way to earn a living ! I really miss my business like nobody can ever know but hey ,I did it !
    Well back down to earth , my humble back wall! :confused:
     

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  4. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I was lucky enough to build a business with the quite rich cliental to own what I have . It is my dream system except the video , had to settle for an 80 inch ! Dang ! That sub-woofer , it was $3600 but because the guy let me spend so much on his system , they threw in that extra sub for a mere $1,100 . I bought three of them that day , two for my client and the other for me . I never once took a nickel from any client ! NEVER ! Spending that kind of money they (the audio video shops) get mighty glad to throw me a bone or two but then they knew I'd be back , like I said , it was business . A great business ! :)

    Another believe it or not , I got a free Blue-Ray DVD player thrown in a deal for free , a Pioneer Elite DV-79 , list price $1,100 ! You have to understand , I did this for a living and my clients were all by word of mouth ! Make them happy , be honest , give them more than their money's worth , free lessons on how it all works and believe me , they kept me running on technical help , these were some mighty complex systems and I did it complimentary , free , keep them happy at all times , my lively hood depended upon my reputation !
    Had I not invested in that sub-woofer I would have really considered the La Scalas , 3 way system , 15 inch woofers , 2 inch mid range and 1 inch tweeter , sweet ! :)
    I do love those bullet proof indestructible horns they make ! I just went for strong mid and upper range , that sub I have goes below human hearing , 10 Hz !

    We should talk , love audio , wired everything , kitchen , office , home theater room , back portch ,fire pit , shop , spent bazillions on speaker wire but I LOVE IT .!
     
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  5. TankTop

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    I wish I could spend what I really want on hifi equipment. The best I ever had was a Polk speaker system with an Integra receiver and Definitive Super cube sub. Pretty sure some nails were coming out of the studs in the walls. My brother had a Carver linear amp running 15" Martin Logan subs in stereo, said he went to the kitchen and a bomb went off in a movie and he went to the window just to double check.
     
  6. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Once you've been spoiled , what can I say ? Because of the opertunities I had , I have way more than I could have ever dreamed of . I was truly , truly blessed like said . I was hooked on high-fidelity as a very young boy from a rather rich friend of mine . I remember the very first sound of a snare drum , the fingers sliding on the textured guitar string , the inhale of the vocalists ......I was hooked ! In 1974 , I spent $8,000 dollars on audio and I remember each piece Never out grew it , I still got it bad ! :eek:

    While running my humble business is when I had the biggest opertunities , so many kickbacks through my clients , just so many . You know how it works when you deal with mainly two high end shops , they get to know you well , first name basis , a regular at least every two months or six but the money my clients would spend was just good sales tricks . I had built an impressive personal system and when they were impressed their ego and wallets kicked in high gear , nothing like a very polite insult to get-ER done :D
    Like , " and if YOU CAN AFFORD such an such , I can give you even better than I could ever dream of " LOL their ego and the thought of some minion having that , well ,
    You know how it works ....:) They love to boast , gloat , brag , out do but it's business !
    If I had a $$$$$$$ whatever I had and showed them , they sent me on my way with my professional opinion and just about anything practical but more $$$$$$$ than I had , I would personally pick piece by piece everything they needed and I loved it and my two audio dealers loved it ......man we had some good times ...........(sigh) ....I stayed honest and loyal , showed them every nickel spent and why , everybody happy and me proud and happy , damn I miss it ! Whaaaaaaa......sniffle....Whaaaaa....Umm , life goes on and I am adjusting ok but things will get better .....I have my woofer back and 7 on th rector scale ....! :D
     
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    There was a shop I used to go into just to dream, the owner was very kind. He's since closed but here's a couple pics of his shop, most of the equipment seen has a price tag resembling a car! To those who have never experienced true hifi the difference is surreal.

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  8. primer1

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    Nice set up, dango! I was into this in my younger days, but the cost shyed me away from the fun. Most of my money is now spent on guns, ammo, and alcohol. The rest I just waste. :D
     
  9. dango

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    Oh yeah , I remember when vinyl was king , the older aficionados swore by it ! The turn tables were a creation of art and very top of the line mechanisms , like wow and flutter ratings , yeap , I had a PL 51 direct drive with out board Dolby units to record to my reel to reels . Sigh , them were the days .

    And Primer , my system was my sales pitch , you bring your favorite CD , DVD , record album and let me rattle your dentures with pure , crisp , dynamic moving some air for a few minutes and if they were seriously considering investing , I hooked em ! :) all their purchases gave me huge purchasing power , these people were really wealthy . One guy had a hand made tapestry made some where's in the Middle East that cost more that any truck I ever owned ! Worked one private Islands like Key Waden and a few others . Pain in the azz if you forgot something back at the shop , no road only water and a ferry , brings you there in the morning , brings you back to mainland end of the day . It was a real pain sometimes , any problem would have to wait another day , crazy rich people that ain't always the most polite folk , had to damn near walk on water for these ..........supreme beings ! Ack ! Hear no evil , see no evil and don't speak unless spoken to ! I'll say no more but I was very good at what I did and darned proud of the things I did for some of them "BEINGS" ......! :(

    On the bright side , these people had as large egos as they had bank accounts so a man got to do what a man got to do and silent with a smile !

    THE END .........!
     
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    Rabbit trail....

    Customer came in the other day, "businessman" from south of the border. He made made a couple quick demands so I went to shake his hand and introduce myself, he looked at me like I was crazy and made another demand. Another salesman had the pleasure of assisting him....
     
  11. dango

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    I know these audio shops well ! The main bulk sales floor and then the separate accusticly tune rooms with maybe from financially comfortable thru down right ignorantly unbelievably expensive .......! Like my best home I'd ever purchased was nowhere near the price of these things , Sheeeez ...! :D at first , the shock factor of me walking into these places was epic ! :D me , tattered blue jeans , work boots , T-shirt saying " I'm ok your a democrat " ...! LMAO they tried to ignor me , like what is that doing here ? :D When I finally did get their "Piss Boy" to ask just what I might be looking for , roll the eyes , the whole looking way down to me ! :D Then I spoke , I knew exactly what why what it does and how much it cost . Need I say the " piss boy" walked away with a huge smile and a killer commission ....! They had totally changed , a 360 , total shock ! God I miss that .......! :D their faces PRICELESS ....., LOL
     
  12. Quentin

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    Super nice system, Dango. And I love the way you walled everything in. I know it sounds amazing!

    My AV system is a mix of old and new, cobbled together but not bad. Big, old main speakers with new subwoofer/surrounds. My receiver supports current audio and HDMI but the amplifier is on the weak side. I really should replace the receiver. My newest component, added about 16 months ago, is a Samsung 64" plasma - a wonderful display. Of course today plasma is dead technology and we're told we need 3D, smartTV, ultraHD/4K and curved screens. I don't see the need now but in a few years I'll look at how OLED technology has advanced. For now I hope my plasma has many years of life left because I can't replace it at the price I paid.
     
  13. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    One thing I did learn in all these years that researching the hell out of any investment in audio is that price does matter ! Once you cross that certain level , you truly do get what you paid for ! I can't replace anything at this point so I have learned how to buy wisely !
    I have some things that have ten and more years warranties and if a company has that much faith in there products , that is a statement .

    All my speakers are unique materials , some developed by companies like Aro-space technologies , no paper , just super resistant to wear . A little maintenance like on the rubber surrounds adds years to speaker life !

    I chose components by dynamic range rather than mass volumes ! Volume is noise , dynamics is beyond hearing and down right feeling ! Excursion is the most important factor in purity of sound , the farther a speaker driver is capable of moving in pure , crips with high impact at lower volumes !

    Take an explosion in a movie . A conventional 18 inch speaker voice coil moves about a half inch , you hear it but the voice coil is over working at dynamic levels ! Take that same size speaker with two inch excursion , it's moving four times the air so you have crossed the line of sound and achieved physical dynamics , you feel the sound and at less than half the volume ! The mechanism is just crusing along ! Tweeters are extremely susceptible to failure because of the rate the voice coil moves many times faster to reproduce the higher frequencies .
    These new ribbon types and the good old Klipsh horn are a much better to handle the speed it takes in the upper audio spectrum !

    Simple : a bass in the 80Hz level , maybe voice coil travel at 4 per second -vs-
    A tweeter at the 25000 Hz level , the travel would be hundreds of times faster !
    Tweeters are the weak link ! This new technology is very interesting , no voice coil thus no heat or million pulses during a typical movie ! Though I can't afford new speakers systems , I can and will adapt just the tweeter , that I can afford !

    There is always a way to upgrade parts if you started out with high quality systems ! TLC and availability make it possible to get another maybe ten more years with minimum cost . I have delved into acoustic design for years and have even built some from scratch , it's a long time hobby , life long !

    I also have an advantage with compatibility and altering things , I'm a professional designer of art and furniture working with many materials , it all helps and anything is possible , anything !
     
  14. Quentin

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    Yeah, I need to refresh my knowledge especially on the audio side. I used to keep up somewhat but have fallen way behind. I'm thinking of replacing my receiver with a separate amplifier and A/V tuner/HDMI hub. It's easier hooking up a combined function receiver, though plus you have a single remote control. Anyway, I'll take a few months to research before doing anything. No doubt my speakers are tired but I'm thinking a quality amplifier is what I need most. In fact I could use an external amplifier with my current receiver, bypassing its internal amplifier as that would correct the weak part of my receiver (it's a decent switcher/HDMI hub).
     
  15. dango

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    Yes you can use your receiver as a pre-amp as long as it still has a lively capacitor ! Plug it in and keep it alive ! The worst damage occurs in long time storage . When the capacitor dies so ends the receiver , no out put no input ! Even if , capacitors can be changed with a litte magnifier and some steady hands ! Again , anything is possible , plug it in , keep it alive even if your not using it ! After being used for a long period the capacitor can do funny things some times .

    Make it a hobbie and look at all the new toys out there , sheeeez ! :)
    Also look at speck sheets on parts ! You may not find the exact thing you seek but you may very well become a nutty professor and make things work .
    In surround audio , it is important to match tone as not to have one speaker dominate you audio array ! If you are spoiled and have the curse of the bionic ear syndrome , you may have to change more then , for example , one tweeter , maybe one in each or look for the same part ! Have fun and good luck , anything is possible , I have my woofer woofen again !
    I also have an integrated power amp , 100 watts per channel I'm not using , not found a practice home for it ! Not junk , I bought as a display off the shelf at a very reasonable price . Just stay in the 8 ohm range and a 100 watts is plenty .
    That 100 watts , that would be RMS rating not peak and that's a good thing ! :)
     
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  16. TankTop

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    I just want a pair of the cheap Maggie's and a good 15 watt tube amp, after that it's been awhile and I'd have to research the rest. The only problem with Maggie's is finding a sub that can keep up.
     
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    Receiver: pioneer vsx454, 100 watts x5, I believe, at least into front three channels. Multiple surround modes, it does OK for its age.

    Speakers: pioneer Csm751, 150w max. 12" and 8" woofers, a small mid/tweeter and a smaller tweeter. I bought used 20? years ago for $100 I think. They aren't high end but they work decent and the bass was plenty when I lived in town.

    I found a cheapo pioneer center channel at a second hand store, and bought new some Bose 201 series 2 for the surrounds.

    The whole system does good overall for what I use it for, movies and occasionally video games. Nothing will probably get replaced unless something dies.
     
  18. TankTop

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    I almost forgot about my Sansui 9090db, my neighbors don't.
     
  19. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Back in the mid seventies before 5.1 systems , I had a Pioneer QX 949 quadraphonic receiver ! Yeap , four Chanel's and no video hook ups available yet ! It was all they had back then but it did sound good ! Man have things changed ! Hook up my I-Pad to the system and everything movies and music just a click away
    , :)
     
  20. Quentin

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    Ah, Sansui! In 1968-69 I bought a Sansui 5000 receiver and Sansui 2000 floor standing speakers. And an Akai tape deck and Pioneer turntable. And lots of LPs over the years.