For all you AR Experts

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Anch368, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Building the first one and I have read tons of threads already but I just wanna make sure that I have everything I need before I start ordering and that there aren't any conflicts with parts that I missed. If you could take a ponder. Thanks!
    Upper
    Noveske MUR (Modular Upper Receiver) W/Bolt Assist
    Noveske Gas Buster Charging Handle, 5.56mm
    Noveske 5.56mm F/A Bolt Carrier Group - Complete
    Noveske 16" Recon 5.56mm Barrel with Low profile gas block
    Noveske Mid Length Gas Tube
    Midwest Industries T 12 Rifle 12" Free Float Handguards
    Noveske KX3 Flash Suppressor, 1/2-28 for 5.56AR

    Lower
    Noveske Stripped Lower Receiver - 5.56MM
    Rock River Arms Complete Lower Parts Kit with National Match Trigger
    PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube, 416 w/ Buffer Plate
    Armalite M15 Carbine Buffer
    Armalite M15 Carbine Buffer Spring
    Magpul ACS™ CARBINE STOCK – MIL-SPEC MODEL
    Hogue AR-15/M-16 Rubber Grip

    phew what a list I am pretty sure I have everything I need to completely assemble it. If you need details on anything let me know I keep feeling like I am missing something I don't know what though! Thanks guys I really appreciate it!
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Your gas tube is midlenght your barrel is 16" most 16" barrels use carbine length tubes.

    Not familiar with that upper what advantage is "modular" design giving ya?? All the angles on it looks like it will snag on clothing and gear and brush pretty easy. Looks heavy too.
     
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  3. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    The MUR is a VLTOR product from my understanding. They are lightweight and high quality.

    The Gas Buster isn't necessary unless you're going to suppress. Look into a BCM Gunfighter CH. The GF won't bind on one side or the other. The design makes for nice even pressure.

    From the bottom of my heart PLEASE don't put an MI rail on such a wonderful upper. IMO it's like putting mud tires on a Ferrari. Same thing w/ the KX3. They are made for SBRs. I've owned a Noveske 7.5" Diplomat that came w/ one and they are heavy. On a 16" barrel they'll feel even heavier.
     
  4. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    If this is your first AR build I suggest you buy the complete upper and build the lower.
     
  5. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Curious why you're using the ArmaLite buffer and spring. You already have them? I agree with Cane about buying a complete upper, do you save money building a Noveske part by part over their complete upper?

    And since you (rightfully) like Noveske they make a killer lower receiver end plate with QD sling mount. I got a couple a while back from Rainier Arms for $25 each.
     
  6. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Firstly thanks for everything guys. Jon thanks about the gas tube I overlooked that detail. MJ thanks for your input about the CH. I really like the design of the gunfighter as well and will order that one instead. Same with the flash suppressor I just deleted that off my list anyways thanks to NY law. MJ I like how you describe the MI rail do you have a very good quality replacement? One that fits the quality of the rest of the gun? Cane I was in the Marine Corps and pretty much know how to put everything together this is just technically my first build of my own. That and I save a good $400 building the Noveske upper myself rather than ordering it complete. Quentin I am using Armalite only because I have always enjoyed the quality of their products. Something I should know about them or do you suggest a high quality replacement? Thanks again for all your input!
     
  7. mjkeat

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    Troy Extreme 13" rail @ just over 11oz almost 5oz lighter than the MI rail.

    Sampson Evolution roughly the same weight of the Troy Extreme series.

    Centurion Arms rails are great as well.
     
  8. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Real quick I have been looking at factory stock platforms and I see almost all of them with 16" barrels have mid length gas tubes. Would I need a mid length with what I have or a carbine length and what's the advantages and disadvantages of both as well? I mean I wanna slap the Samson 12" rail on this. And as long as that's in question what about the buffer and spring.. carbine or regular rifle length thanks again!
     
  9. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    My personal opinion is midlength. Midlenght will shoot softer.

    W/ a low profile gas block you can have any length tube/rail you want, they have no baring on each other.

    For a rifle like you're putting together I'd go w/ a "typical" collapsible set-up and try different buffer weights if you have the chance. Start w/ an H and work up. I've found that a H2 or Spikes T2 work well for me.
     
  10. JeffCooper

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    I listened to this fantastic advice and went with the middy. I understand carbine length are a little rough. Noveske is nice stuff. I wish I had that kind of dough!

     
  11. mjkeat

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    I've put down the money to own Noveske and was very happy. The bad thing is it was on a 7.5" "pistol". Pistol ARs are completely useless some to find out and it was quickly sold.

    I've waisted so much time and money on useless accessories and ****. Sometimes I look back and just shake my head. If only I had asked questions, did the research, and been more patient I'd be further ahead.
     
  12. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Well guys I appreciate all of your input it has been extremely helpful in picking out parts but the build is officially cancelled for the foreseeable future. I told the wife what I was building and she got pissed.. not cause I was building one but because she already bought me a 20" Colt HBAR for Christmas. So I can't really complain. I will prolly just build the upper now and save the 20" for long range. Thanks again for everything though! I will submit pictures the second I get it!
     
  13. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    That is reason #1 why I don't let my wife know 100% of what's going on when it comes to firearms.
     
  14. Anch368

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    Well I am back again for more questions.. The build is back on and I have changed some things from the original parts list. Firstly I decided on the Samson Star R Free Float, really like this one. Decided to go with a Battle Comp 1.0 as the muzzle attachment. Now to the question... I have decided that I want the AR Gold trigger made by American Trigger Corporation. This is a really nice drop in design and this AR will mostly be used for 3 gun matches anyways. So this will replace my RRA LPK with NM trigger. The question I have is now I don't have a LPK chosen. With everything that is included in the AR Gold trigger, would it be easier to order an LPK and just obviously not install anything that the AR Gold has or part out everything that's in an LPK so that I won't have extra trigger parts just lying around. Essentially I just want to know what the best option would be because I am not familiar with all the parts in an LPK so I don't know what the AR Gold eliminates from an LPK. And if I should stick with an LPK any good recommendations that's consistent with the quality of the rest of the gun? Once again thanks for everything!!!
     
  15. AgentTikki

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    Palmetto State Armory and G and R tactical have LPKs with no fire control group...i think PSA wants $30 or $35 for it....not sure. You might want to look into them.

    A complete trigger assembly usually includes that trigger, trigger spring, trigger pin, the hammer, hammer spring, hammer pin, disconnector and disconnector spring. I'm pretty sure a nice trigger like the AR gold will include everything for the fire control group. Have you considered Geissele SD3G and S3G models?

    The lower parts kits have everything else in it for your lower reciever such as the pivot pins, dentents, springs, bolt catch, mag release, safte selector etc etc.

    Hope this helps you.
     
  16. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I just put some rounds down range w/ the SD3G and it is a really clean trigger and fast as well.
     
  17. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Thanks for the info Tikki I will definitely be looking into those LPK's. In regards to the Geissele triggers.. they are extremely nice triggers I have tried a couple on my buddies AR's, however when I got my hands on the AR Gold I fell in love. It just fits my shooting preference the best! I appreciate all the info!!
     
  18. Anch368

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    Ok back again guys.. Essentially I come back whenever it takes me more than 2 hours of research and my question still hasn't been answered. So this AR build is ever changing again. I have very effectively been continuing to upgrade parts. Right now I am stuck on Barrel Length and BCG's. I essentially started with a Noveske 16" SS barrel, however now I am trying to determine if I should go with the 18" instead. THis rifle is mostly going to be used for 3 gun matches but I also need it to be a multi purpose rifle. So would an 18" be better than the 16"? Next is the BCG. I assumed that the FA BCG's were some of the best you could get and just chose a Novekse because that's what a majority of the build is. However I have read a ton on Nickel Boron finishes, Tin BCG's and Chrome National Match BCG's. Now my opinion on what the best is.. is well skewed. So now what to do.. What do you think is the best bcg out there especially for what I am going to use it for and for what I have in the rest of the rifle. Thanks again guys you are the best!
     
  19. AgentTikki

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    I would seriously reconsider the KX3 muzzle device. Its heavy and does nothing for compensation or recoil mitigation. Its really heavy. I'd only use it on an sbr or pistol length AR. Most competitors use muzzle breaks, loud, light obnoxious muzzle breaks. The KX3 is completely opposite of that. Check out my past posts as I've reviewed a few devices.

    If you are serious about 3g, skip 2 stage triggers and go for a the Geissele SD3G or S3G. They just released different springs too so you can play with different trigger weights.

    I can't recommend you going with with 18 over 16, as most people I've talked to usually have both. 18" only giving a slight advantage in muzzle velocity. Do you know what ranges your local matches go to?

    BCGs, a standard milspec will suit you just fine. How many rounds a year are you anticipating? Hundreds? Thousands? 10s of thousands? Do you reload? Do you like doing mag dumps? Do you shoot alot of full auto? If you only do a few thousand a year, a standard mil-spec mp/hp parkerized bcg will last you a long long time. If you like to roll around in the sand, shoot full auto or really, don't like cleaning, maybe a chrome, ni-bor, failzero will work for you. I anticipate shooting over 5k this year and I still don't see the need for anything other than a standard bcg. YMMV.

    Finally, I see you are looking at top grade components, so money must not be too much of an issue. But as someone like you, who has been interested in the sport the only advice that everyone seems to agree on is, "bring what you got" you can figure out what you need with more experience. Check out what everyone else is useing and then decide if you need that extra gear.

    Also I cannot recommend that your first AR be a competition model unless you have a lot of trigger time in other platforms. If you are new to shooting in general, don't go overboard with bling bling. Keep it simple, learn and evolve.
     
  20. Anch368

    Anch368 New Member

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    Wow sorry I forgot to update what I have so far which has changed compared to my original post in this topic:

    Upper
    Noveske MUR (Modular Upper Receiver) W/Bolt Assist
    Noveske Gun Fighter Charging Handle, 5.56mm
    Noveske 5.56mm F/A Bolt Carrier Group - Complete
    Noveske 16" Recon 5.56mm Barrel with Low profile gas block
    Noveske Mid Length Gas Tube
    Samson Star R 12' Rail
    Battle Comp 1.0

    Lower
    Noveske Stripped Lower Receiver N2- 5.56MM
    Palmetto State Armory LPK w/o fire control group
    AR Gold Trigger
    PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube, 416 w/ Buffer Plate
    Spikes Tacticle ST-T2 buffer
    David Tubb Buffer Spring
    VLTOR E-Mod Stock
    Hogue AR-15/M-16 Rubber Grip