Florida LEOs oppose 'Open Carry'

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by theskunk1946, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. theskunk1946

    theskunk1946 New Member

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    Florida Sheriffs announce they will 'Draw down' on anyone with an open carry. The sheriff says 'Look for tragedies, as deputies won't hesitate if they feel threatened.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ALgGpTMj8k]YouTube - Open Carry Debate - Florida House of Representatives - 3/24/2011[/ame]
     
  2. LeoGripster

    LeoGripster New Member

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    Wow, that's an overreaction. Granted they may be in FL, but seriously???

    It's like Open Range on the open carry populus.

    BTW, criminals typically never, never, never open carry. If a man walks into a bank to rob it, he doesn't wear the pistol openly but conceals it until necessary. While working in a bank for years, I was never robbed by an open carry customer (AZ). I was robbed by the guys who had their guns hidden in their pockets.

    I've never felt threatened by someone open carrying. In tend to be more courteous than the general public.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    If a law enforcement officer "draws down" on someone for no other reason than they are legally, openly carrying a firearm, two events should follow. The first is a CRIMINAL charge against the LEO for brandishing a firearm. The second is the CIVIL suit against the LEO AND his employer for the assault- and make no mistake, THAT is an assault- defined as "A threat to do harm, accompanied by the present apparent ability to carry out that threat."

    As far as the Sheriff goes- they are elected officials. THAT problem should be cured at the ballot box, and the idiot sent on his way- minus his badge.

    My home state has been an "open carry" state for some years. I must have missed the news reports concerning the rivers of blood resulting from that.:cool:
     
  4. ninjatoth

    ninjatoth New Member

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    I think if the whole country did away with ccw's,cpl's,cwp's etc and let all legal gun owners carry concealed there would be no increase in crime other than rare instances of domestic type violence where a non ccw holder happened to be carrying when he wouldn't have been otherwise,but all in all I think crime would stay the same or even go down.
     
  5. dog2000tj

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    Forget waiting for the next election, why don't the fine people of Florida recall this putz? As C3 mentioned if this plays out look for the folks of Florida to incur enormous legal liabilities. :eek: Yeah, I'd have a huge problem with any officer drawing on me while doing nothing wrong. :mad:
     
  6. IGETEVEN

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    What C3 said. :cool:



    Sadly, it works both ways. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Overkill0084

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    So, why exactly, would LEOs feel threatened by a holstered weapon in plain sight? It's not like your typical criminal is going to be open carrying.
    I've noticed that there are always groups of politicians posing as LEOs claiming to speak for all of Law Enforcement.
     
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  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Somehow, I get the feeling that the small representation shown does not look at the whole picture.
     
  9. theskunk1946

    theskunk1946 New Member

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    This guy is elected, and just a politician type. The real question is who are the ones backing this Barney Fife?
     
  10. OfcFriendly

    OfcFriendly New Member

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    Now I personally agree with you that the Sheriff is totally overreacting. However, it's not criminal for an officer to draw down on someone if a threat being present (or the fear of the possibility of impending threat). I understand that a holstered weapon is not an immediate threat, but you also have to understand that police officers are allowed to break certain laws while on duty (i.e. traffic laws), and drawing down on someone because the officer feeling "threatened" is NOT criminal. I couldn't tell you how many times I drew down on someone and they didn't have a gun. It's my safety, the safety of my fellow officers, and the safety of third-parties first. I'm going home at night. If I or my dept got sued for me drawing down on someone, I would owe people about $200,000.00. Granted, I didn't work in the best area, and we are one of two States that don't allow concealed carry. So if I see, or feel a gun, they're getting one aimed at their torso.
     
  11. theskunk1946

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    AS the law takes effect, I imagine the "Drawing down" syndrome will start to fade. If you have a gang member carrying, of course you can draw down, but if it is a store owner walking to his car, does that require a confrontation?
     
  12. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    The other part of "Open Carry".
    Although it is called "Open Carry", the intent is that should your firearm gets accidently exposed when it should be concealed, one is not arrested for "brandishing a firearm in public."

    The firearm should still be concealed to the best possible, and one must still have the CWP.
     
  13. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Not to defend the guy or what he said, and the cops fault, the bad guys fault or no ones's fault, that part of Florida has buried about 7 LEOs in the last 15-18 months. As I understand it they are a tad nervous in the Tampa area.

    I have not heard that philosophy from anyone connected with law enforcement in Central Florida. It would not surprise me that if I was carrying openly, I would be asked to provide proof of legal carry though. I would imagine the site of someone with a hand gun on their hip would make a LEO nervous.
     
  14. theskunk1946

    theskunk1946 New Member

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    Half the cops that died in 2009 were from traffic fatalities

    Officers Accidentally Killed - Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 2009
     
  15. OfcFriendly

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    Lol. True, my "drawing down" syndrome will definitely fade. The syndrome is present solely because, 99.99% of persons/vehicles searched that have a firearm on them are doing so illegally (i.e. convicted felon). None of the aforementioned 99.99% are law abiding citizens either, since it's clearly illegal to conceal a firearm in the state of Illinois. If there is a rare case that the individual is carrying lawfully, or is law enforcement, I always get the courtesy of them telling me they are armed. I have had two calls of "a man with a gun", and it was a buddy showing another buddy a gun he just bought. I didn't draw down, and simply explained it's not too bright to do that in your car, in broad daylight, and in a crowed parking lot.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not some a$$hole with a badge drawing my firearm every chance I get. I take my safety seriously, and I am for concealed carry, however, until the law changes, I have to assume if they have a firearm concealed or one in care, custody, and control of them in their vehicle, that they are a threat. It's when police or legally armed citizens become complacent, that causes **** to hit the fan.

    I'm a part of this forum because I enjoy firearms, but it's this comment that got me riled up was: "The first is a CRIMINAL charge against the LEO for brandishing a firearm. The second is the CIVIL suit against the LEO AND his employer for the assault- and make no mistake, THAT is an assault- defined as "A threat to do harm, accompanied by the present apparent ability to carry out that threat." I responded to that nonsense earlier.

    Cheers, and be safe.
     
  16. c3shooter

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    Please re-read what I posted. I said "for no other reason".

    BTW, I became a Certified LEO in 1971, and am a Certified LE Supervisor. Being commissioned is not carte blanche to threaten anyone with a firearm. The circumstances mentioned by the Sheriff quoted in the original post are NOT a Felony Stop, not a "reasonable fear of safety"- it was solely the presence of a legally carried firearm.
     
  17. theskunk1946

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    Rookie cops with guns make me nervous. Too much affirmative action, femanist types, and young cowboys on todays police forces. You start encouraging these types to pull a gun on a armed citizen, and tensions are going to rise.

    That silly 'Five star' chief should be arrested for inciting violence. Open carry has worked in 40 other states - so where is the problem?
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Him...and anyone else that thinks the same way. :rolleyes:
     
  19. orangello

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    See, this seems like a well-intending LEO (admitedly from a fascist state that subjugates the rights of its citizens but still) who is automatically going to go to, at least, traffic-stop mode on everyone he sees carrying open. How many other good, well-trained, well-intending LEO's will feel the same way and need to investigate anyone open carrying? I wouldn't open carry outside of the woods. I don't currently carry other than in the car (usually just in a door pocket). In a place where OC has been the norm for a decade or two, things might be a bit different, but new OC areas would be a sketchy place to OC.

    Do you have time to go through a detailed discussion, verification of the firearm's ownership, verification of open carry legality (permit, location, etc.), and possibly unloading and reloading, EVERY time you go out for gas & a slurpee? I don't.
     
  20. Gojubrian

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    Quoted for the truth and thumbs up!!