First time pistol owner.

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by DoyleTheDog, Aug 17, 2009.

  1. DoyleTheDog

    DoyleTheDog New Member

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    So I just got an M&P .40 after going out to the range with my coworkers and shooting many different pistols. I plan on taking a gun safety course pretty soon, but I did have one question about safety. If I insert a fully loaded mag into the gun but do not pull the slide back yet, is the gun safe to carry? Pretty sure the answer is yes, but I'd hate to find out the hard way....
     
  2. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    sure its safe...im guilty of the same action when carrying my glock22 with me...of course this want be so much of a safety concern if something happens & we need to draw our firearm quick to eliminate a threat....of course i dont worry about a round being chambered when i carry my 1911 s.a. it stays cocked and locked...does the m&p have a decocker or half cock safety?hamerless?hammer?...im not familiar with the m&p...thats why i ask...i've heard good things about them...smith and wesson makes them right?
     

  3. DoyleTheDog

    DoyleTheDog New Member

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    No it doesn't have a decocker or a visible hammer. It also does not have a thumb safety, which is why i was asking. Yeah, Smith & Wesson makes them and I'm really happy with my purchase!!
     
  4. Shotgun Shooter

    Shotgun Shooter New Member

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    There are plenty of different carry methods. From safety off, round chambered to safety on no round chambered. So yes, its safe. If you feel comfortable and train like that, then keep working on it.

    S.S.
     
  5. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    Firearm safety is the number one thing to consider when purchasing a personal firearm. A complete understanding of the four basic Conditions of Carry will help compliment common sense and attention to detail. These conditions can be applied to all firearms and vary based on the type of firearm you are dealing with. I will stay on the topic of handguns.

    Condition One: Ready for Action

    In this condition, the handgun has a round in the chamber and a loaded magazine in the magazine well. This condition is the condition just prior to firing. The thumb safety (if applicable) is engaged. In order to bring the pistol into action, the operator only needs to put it on target, and complete whatever steps are necessary to fire.

    Condition Two: Ready for Danger

    In this condition, there is a round in the chamber and a full magazine in the magazine well, like condition one, but the safety is off and the hammer is down. Handguns without external hammers, such as the XD and Glock, cannot be carried in condition two.

    This condition is not recommended because the gun must be cocked before it is ready to fire, making it slower than condition one. In addition, if the gun is dropped on the hammer, or the hammer slips, there is a possibility of the gun discharging.

    Condition Three: Somewhat Safe?

    In condition three, the chamber is empty and a fully loaded magazine is in the magazine well. This is the carry method for many military organizations in the world. In order to fire, the slide needs to be reciprocated to chamber a round.

    Many people feel that this method of storage is safe for children, but I do not recommend it as the only safety measure. This is an excellent condition for a backup weapon in a locked safe.

    Condition Four: Safety First

    In condition four, the handgun is completely unloaded. The magazine is removed from the gun. The slide can be locked back for completeness, but I recommend letting the slide forward and the hammer down for long term storage.

    No matter what condition you prefer, a gun safe is essential to firearm safety, especially if there are children around. I personally carry in condition one and think it is foolish to carry in any other condition. When I am not carrying, I leave my guns in condition one, but they are locked in a safe and inaccessible to others. In the end, it is your responsibility to determine the safest manner to handle and store your firearms.
     
  6. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    Hey Dog
    First off, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on the MP purchase. I just got the MP in 45, great gun.
    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f66/range-report-smith-wesson-mp-45-a-16792/

    Mark posted great info for you, and if you take a safety course you will also get great info on how to store and carry your new MP.
    I got the MP with a thumb safety so I feel comfortable keeping the MP with a full mag and one in the chamber. (Condition one) My MP is for home defense so I keep it close and ready. I have no kids and the SO is weapons trained.
    If I had the MP without the external safety (like yours) I would keep the pistol with a full mag and the chamber empty. (Condition three)
    My other guns are in the safe and are kept empty with full mags next to them.
    Jo
     
  7. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    I guess I'm going to be different and recommend you carry it with 1 in the chamber, but ONLY after you are taught in a good shooting instructional course. The M&P has internal safetys & you'll be trained to keep the booger hook off the trigger until you're ready to fire the weapon. The important thing is the gun intended for home defense or concealed carry? If intended for home defense only, either fully loaded or magazine loaded with chamber empty will suffice-depending on the training you recieve.
     
  8. DoyleTheDog

    DoyleTheDog New Member

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    WOW!!! Thank you all for the helpful responses!! I think I'll be more comfortable carrying it in condition three for now, then after a safety course I'll see what I like best.
    I don't plan on walking around with it yet since I don't have a CC license at the moment, but I go out to my buddy's ranch alot and I can carry it on me out there. Plus I'm thinking about the S&W 637 Revolver for a conceal and carry... I know they have alot of recoil, but with practice you can get good with any weapon I think. Do any of you have much experience with the 637? I'm always open to advice....

    EDIT: To answer your question Bear, the gun is mostly for home defense.
     
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  9. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    Actually S&W model 637s don't have that much recoil. Recoil is subjective but the 637 is .38 special only and of all stainless construction. Just be sure to either order it with rubber grips, or replace the grips with rubber grips after purchase. My wife packs a S&W model 442 airweight which is lighter than the 637, and she shoots it just fine.
     
  10. slammr

    slammr New Member

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    I'm no expert but I have a Springfield XDM with similar safety mechanism. Personally I think these type of guns don't require an external safety for carry purposes. It will not fire unless you pull the trigger. If you're doing that you should be on target to the BG. If the BG is close (within 7 meters or so), you will not have time to draw and rack the slide, unless you are a Todd Jarrett caliber speed shooter. This is not just my opinion. I got this from both of the CC instructors in my recent class.
     
  11. shooter-55

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    none in the chamber....

    Without one in the chamber is regularly called "Israeli carry" due to the Israeli Army using this procedure. Upon drawing their weapon, then are taught to grasp the slide in one motion as they present the pistol to the target. I have seen this in action and quite honestly, I am amazed they can do it with the speed and precision as fast as they do. I have had a few exhibitions with them and am ashamed to say although I was never beaten to the presentation, I rarely won. (for those of you that don't know me, this was done safely, side by side, without magazines and presenting downrange at a military base).
    I personally carry a round in the chamber. You never know when your other hand may be unable to be used to rack. It may be tied up keeping an aggressor away from your gun. Just remember, if the finger is off the trigger, it doesn't go bang!!
     
  12. threat

    threat New Member

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    I'm a newbie here, but wanted to add my .02 cents. Either way you want to carry is fine if you have have proper training and continue to train. My thoughts on this are: which has a greater chance of happening?...A gunfight, or a momentary lapse in judgment resulting in an negligent discharge? Cocked and Locked is fine, but some increased risk is present.
     
  13. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

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    I've said this before but it bears repeating :
    If you carry in condition one, you can use a good snug holster that covers the trigger area. You can leave the gun in the holster even when you are not carrying it. The holster constitutes a sort of "safety ".

    The above is not a substitute for Rule #3 or for formal firearms training.
     
  14. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the FTF community Doyle.

    Number one is safety. Learn safety and then carry in the safest manner of which you're capable. You'll be more comfortable and more confident.
     
  15. Silvertip 44

    Silvertip 44 New Member

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    Like all the posts are telling you, safety is the number one concern.
    I carry a compact 1911 .45ACP and it is always closed on an empty chamber with the hammer down. I have carried cocked and locked a few times, but generally only when I am alone in a remote area and just want the added comfort of being ready.
    I live alone and have made a habit of always carrying my pistol. I don't let it out of my close reach and do carry it concealed when i leave home. When driving late at night which is seldom, it is cocked and locked.
    Just be completely safe whatever you decide to do. If you do not feel safe carrying a pistol in condition one, then don't carry it that way.
    You could always opt for a double action revolver. I feel totally armed with my 3" .44 magnum.