First-time Buyer, looking for advice

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Robotrix, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. Robotrix

    Robotrix New Member

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    Hey Everyone,

    Not only am I new to these forums, I am also new to the world of guns. Two of my best friends are avid hunters, and I've tagged along with them on trips a few times and quite enjoyed myself. Long story short, I've decided to pick up a rifle, and begin practicing so that I may partake in these trips in the future!

    I'm seeking advice on the following:


    A solid, all around rifle that does not exceed $1500 and a scope that does not exceed $1000. Meaning I have a max budget of about $2500 and don't really believe its necessary to start with a rifle exceeding the $1500 mark.

    Through research I have discovered that I will most likely decide on a .300 or .308 WIN calibre rifle as the flight paths seem the "flattest" and ammo is most accessible where I live - this however is not set in stone. Remington is a name that I am most familiar with, but I am seeking advice on other alternatives as well as particular Remington models within the 700 series that might be suitable for a rifle! I am also quite fond of the Zeiss Conquest HD5 scope (3-15X42 model).

    What uses will this rifle serve:

    My friends hunt in both forest and open plain settings, and target game as large as moose and black bear. I also live 5 minutes from an 800 yard range, and would like to purchase a combo that I could hunt with (generally up to about 200 yards from what I've seen) but also thoroughly enjoy at the range without worrying about too much heat in the barrel - I've read fluted barrels dissipate heat faster, but am not sure if this is really such a large issue for most rifles in the first place.

    Anyways, any help on the topic is much appreciated, and I thank-you all in advance for your input!
     
  2. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    My CZ-550 in .308 with Meopta Meostar 3-12x56 with illuminated dot costs a little over 2000 dollars. It is a smooth Mauser action, and very accurate. It holds five rounds. The iron sights are excellent. I hunt with this set up in the day, low-light and at night. I hunt Roe deer, fallow deer, red deer, Russian and German boar. One shot takes them down every time.
     

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  3. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    fot that budget there really are endless options. marlin x7 is a good option and far under your budget. to say the 308 is a flat shooting cartridge might get you kicked in the nuts.. there are a lot better flatter shooting calibers, like the 7mm mag for example. and for the long long shots i would suggest it. but for hunting to 200 yards the .308 would perform very well. its acutally what i use. i have a winchester mod 70 in .308.

    having a good scope makes all the differences.. you really have a great budget to work with for your next purchase.
     
  4. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Thats a lot of money for a hunting rifle. Are you going to get upset when you get your first marks on it if it is a wood finish? Is it going to be synthetic? etc, etc. Any of the top 6 or so name brands are great rifles for around 500 to 700 dollars. A good scope is anywhere from 250 to 500 dollars. Unless you are spending 10 grand on an african safari hunt, you don't need a 1000 dollar scope.
    I prefer 3x9x40 scopes for an overall hunting scope.
    A 30.06 is about the best for overall hunting in North America. Other calibers can do specific things better, but the 30.06 can do them all well. for a 1 gun battery.
     
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  5. Robotrix

    Robotrix New Member

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    I've taken a look at the CZ-550 and am quite interested by them. Which model exactly do you use?



    Could you or anyone by chance elaborate on what specific things the .300/.308/30.06 are good for?

    And regarding the scratches and what not, i'm not at all concerned! I'm willing to spend a little extra for an effective combo and consider any dings or scratches collected as "signs of passage" if anything haha. I'm far more concerned with performance than the visual aspects!
     
  6. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    Robotrix, Since your new to firearms,you may want to start out with a smaller caliber with less recoil. Most shooters that begin with a larger hunting caliber develop bad habits from dealing with the recoil.
    You might look at the 6.5 x 55 Swede,that caliber will take down a moose with no problem as well as black bear. The 308 is a good caliber,but in today's ammo climate,can be hard to find. The 30/06 is a great all around caliber,but does have more recoil,ammo is almost always available for it anywhere. I wouldn't suggest starting off with a 300 WM,it shoots the same bullets as the 308-30/06,just a little faster with a lot more recoil and I've never seen an animal with a radar gun.

    Any of the major brands will have guns that fit your needs and budget,$1500 will get you a very nice rifle,and the Zeiss scope is an excellent choice.
    The Winchester 70,CZ 550,Savage 14/114 16/116 series,Thompson Center Icon / Venture would all be nice rifles to start with on your budget.
     
  7. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Robo,

    TX is exactly correct regarding recoil and the new shooter when it comes to rounds equivalent to the 300 Win Mag. or 7 MM Remington Mag. I would not recommend anything larger than the 308 for your first rifle. If I had the budget you mentioned to purchase a rifle at this time. I am a Remington 700 CDL guy normally. But with the budget mentioned I would choose a SAKO Rifle possibly a Model 85 in 308 or ("30-06 Max.") in your case and a Leupold VXIII 3.5 X 10 Illum. Reticle Model 54912 for hunting. The SAKOs are know for their quality and accuracy, not that others are not, but the actions are great. My 7mm Rem Mag. CDL above shoots sub 1/2 MOA groups at 100 yards so the SAKO is not the only good accurate rifle but you should look and feel the action on the SAKO if you can locate one. Might be worth a look.
    Good Luck on your selection and welcome to this great sport! Looking forward to hearing in the future what you selected and also see pictures and a range report.
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  8. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    It is the CZ-550 Synthetic, but I think it is called the "American" in the States (?) Can anybody on the forum confirm this? This is the total package from my LGS...

    http://www.frankonia.de/375682/2608...llery&articleNumber=161531&navCategoryId=6748
     
  9. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    The 30 caliber has so many more types of bullets to choose from from a reloading perspective, than any other caliber. You can go down to roughly 55 grains, and up to 225 grains or so. That speaks volumes in hunting game. There are many books and articles written on the 30.06 as being the one gun to have if you can only own one hunting rifle.

    The kick isn't bad, and if you need to, you can tame it by adding a better aftermarket recoil pad (limbsaver).

    If money is not a problem, look at a Sako. Then a CZ. If you still haven't found the one for you, start looking at the Remingtons, Rugers, Savages, etc.

    Or .....

    Get a good 600 dollar gun, and buy all the reloading equipment you will ever need with the other 900 dollars.


    ;)
     
  10. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I'm another Sako fan. Sometimes you can find someone selling one who doesn't know what they are, just because it isn't a Remington, Winchester, or Savage.

    Tikka is another sleeper brand.

    As Anna said above the CZ, Remy, Winchester and Savage are fine too.
     
  11. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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  12. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Howa is pretty good too.
     
  13. Robotrix

    Robotrix New Member

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    Thank-you for all the advice! I'll post back when I have narrowed my search down to a couple particular rifles and grab a few more opinions! In the mean-time, does anyone have a favorite scope they enjoy using? :)
     
  14. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I'd personally go for a much cheaper gun that will get the job done. Particularly when starting out in a new hobby. What happens if you decide if it's not for you? You're going to loose an awful lot unloading it......
     
  15. gr8oldguy

    gr8oldguy New Member

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    welcome to the forum. if this is your first gun, get a 22 rifle and learn to shoot that.
     
  16. od green

    od green New Member

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    A quick question

    What do your two friends shoot ? Have you shot their's ?
    A lot of really good advice has already been given, but you sound like youre ready to drop a lot of cash for a expensive hobby guns, ammo, hunting is a very addictive sport and every hunter / shooting enthuist knows this. Given you really don't have the experince I would suggest with a good middle of the road rig that has already been mentioned and progress from that. A $2500 rifle and scope won't make you an expert shooter or hunter right out of the box.
     
  17. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    ^ +100

    What area of the country are you in Robo???

    Cabelas are always having great deals on blowouts down in Utah and in Anchorage.

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoo...=SBC;MMcat104792580;cat105522480;cat105523380

    Check your Cabelas or other sporting good store for similar deals.

    Something like that is a great value, and will last your lifetime. The remainder of your money you could buy a lot of ammo or reloading supplies to make you a great shooter.
     
  18. Robotrix

    Robotrix New Member

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    I totally agree! I'm not looking to become an expert shooter overnight, the budget I have set for myself is really more of an upper-end guide line than anything. I have been out to ranges with friends quite often and know I enjoy the sport, as well as the hunting trips (first-time buyer, not first time shooter!). One friend shoots a Tikka Lite .300 WSM and the other a Sako 85 Grey Wolf in .308. Both provide a rewarding experience, though I must admit I enjoy the 85 more. Whether its enough for $800 more I'm not sure :p. I am quite comfortable with the .308 caliber as well, so I think I'm leaning towards that as my first. Sadly I don't have experience with a 30.06 so I personally don't have enough information to jump on that caliber just yet.

    Anyways, I really have enjoyed the feedback here, and am in the process of narrowing it down to a few choices..I'll post back later for some discussion when I'm ready! Thanks again everyone :)
     
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  19. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    A 308 is a fine cartridge. Just think of it as the runt of the litter in 30.06's. The ammunition is very accurate, and any 600-700 dollar gun will more than likely outshoot most of the people on this forum. I am a big fan of Sako's, but yes, they are extra pricey. My second rifle ended up being a Weatherby vanguard and it is well enjoyed. Go to the store and hold them all and find the one that beckons you. They are all just apples and oranges, really.
     
  20. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    I can't help you with your rifle/scope choice, as I'm not a hunter. But I would like to add a few things.

    First, welcome! I enjoyed reading your initial post in this thread because you can tell you have done research and have some things in mind. I hate it when someone just says "what should I buy?" So, I'm glad you do research and think things through. Also that you give those who will be advising guidelines on how to advise.

    Next, I may not be a hunter, but I definitely agree a high end of $800 for the rifle itself will suffice. I agree with the above members, you could grab a bunch of ammo with the extra, or reloading supplies. Or, and this is my actual advice - snag up a good back up handgun for carrying while hunting. My preference would be a revolver. Maybe a S&W in 44 Magnum. Another good choice would be a semi auto in 10 mm. The reason I advise this is for many reason. It could also be used as a home defense gun, a good target gun, etc. Plus, if you get too close to a bear (or he gets too close to you!) it would prolly be quicker than aiming in with your rifle.

    Just my .02. I'm curious what others think about the handgun idea for you.