First Gun will be a revolver, but what kind/caliber?

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by GrizzlyGurl, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. GrizzlyGurl

    GrizzlyGurl New Member

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    I've been doing some research today and I've come to the conclusion that a revolver will work out best for what I want and need it for.
    Goal: to have/own/carry a concealed gun on self or purse
    History: have concealed weapons permit, shot husband's makarov, unknown other pistol, shotgun a couple of times, own multiple knives
    Preferences: hammerless revolver, concern on kick (found difficulty to manage in husband's guns) and concern over pain in knuckles if I have to repetitively shoot.
    Pro: hammerless has less chance to snag in a purse Con: trigger needs more lbs of pressure to pull. repetitive use and practice downrange will be limited
    Pro: hammer could help with joint problem
    I have researched and found some hammerless I want to test out myself, but I want some opinions on this.
    1. In your opinion, what do you see in this small battle in choosing between hammerless and hammer?
    2. I keep seeing statement of people saying certain calibers(.357) and certain gun models(SW 642) are not good for a beginner. Why? Why must I go with a .22? what's the big difference? And I honestly have caught myself drooling a few times over variations of the S & Wes m 642 and look forward to testing it out. What's the big deal?
    3. I look at the revolver and I picture more concealment challenges than say a pistol. What's your opinion? Are there ways that are more difficult to conceal a revolver than a pistol?
     
  2. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    The very first gun my wife shot was my Ruger Blackhawk 357 mag, using 38 spl ammo.

    When she picked out her handgun she chose the S&W 642 airweight 38 spl.
    The 642 is not designed as a range gun, but it is not unbearable to shoot enough to maintain proficiency.

    However, make sure you check Ruger's LCR. Reviews of the LCR are good and it is reported to have a much trigger than the 642.
     

  3. Fielder

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    2) .357 makes more noise and has more recoil than a .22 (as you know).

    The 642 is a .38 special and would make a very nice first gun, in my opinion.

    For one thing a hammerless model is easier to defend your use of if a prosecutor takes you to court. Let's say you claim you had no choice except to fire in self defense. A favorite trick of a lawyer prosecuting you (or in a civil suit against you) is to claim that you did have a better option but you just got nervous and accidently fired the gun when you really did not want to and therefore it was not a situation where shooting was necessary. And therefore you are guilty of negligent manslaughter (or that you should therefore lose the suit against you).

    If you used a hammerless model in an altercation, well it takes a long exerted trigger deliberate pull, so this takes away that line of accusation. It is almost physically impossible to accidentally fire a hammerless revolver. So, you just stick to your story the assailant was a deadly threat to you and you had no choice. The possibility of accidental (and also negligent) is taken out of the picture. This completely foils any attempt for a lawyer to get you to say the wrong thing on the stand, namely that you were nervous and therefore accidently did the wrong thing.

    A prosecutor then has a much tougher burden, he must show that you deliberately murdered someone in cold blood. This the jury is not likely to believe that if you are a solid citizen confronted by an assailant. But a jury might well come to be persuaded by a slick lawyer that you accidently shot someone and therefore you must pay for. With a hammerless model, this line of attack against you in court is taken out of the picture.

    I think a hammerless double action revolver is the easiest gun to present a plausible defense when answering for any altercation afterwards in court.

    It doesn't snag. You always know the condition of the gun, it is always uncocked. I like a hammerless revolver for a civilian defense weapon.
     
  4. canebrake

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    Ruger LCR hands down!

    Get the 38 spl +P model, it's all you need.

    Best DA trigger in this genre.

    Only 13.5 ozs and < 1 lb loaded!

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    Practice with 38 spl target loads and carry with Buffalo Bore, Heavy .38 Special +P Ammo - 158 gr. L.S.W.C.H.P. w/G.C. (1,000fps/M.E. 351 ft.lbs.)

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    Best bathing suit carry when a 45 ACP just won't work!
     
  5. Donn

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    Try the S&W Bodyguard. I won't debate whether it's better than an LCR, but it is an option and comes standard with a laser sight.
     
  6. DoyleTheDog

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    Lasers are too distracting for someone learning how to properly shoot their first SD handgun. That's just my opinion...
    I'm also going to suggest you take a good look at the Ruger LCR chambered in 38+p.
     
  7. AsSeenOnTV

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  8. jjfuller1

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    as mentioned the ruger LCR. you can carry .357/ practice with 38's and if you really like it they also make it in .22lr. you could buy both. get TONS of practice with it in .22. and occasionally shoot it in the .357/38. by using the same exact platform everything about shooting it would become second nature, or muscle memory. its very small and easy to conceal almost anywhere.

    con would be buying 2 pistols.... wait, who frets about more guns? hehe
     
  9. SatoriNoir

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    While a .22LR revolver shouldn't be scoffed at in the hands of a skilled shot, I recommend going with .38 Special as your first SD revolver. This gives you the versatility of practicing with a lower recoil caliber to get your accuracy and precision down pat, and then begin experimenting with +P or 357 magnum as you become more confident in your shots.

    If perceived recoil is a huge factor, consider looking at the 2" snubnosed Chiappa Rhino. From personal experience with my four inch Rhino, I can attest to the fact that shooting .38 Specials through it feels a whole lot like shooting .22's.
     
  10. onenut58

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    The 642 is a very good choice and looking into different grips can change the behavior of the gun to suit you better.You mentioned weak knuckles and wont get much range time. If your planning on mastering a double action 642 you better plan on a lot of range time and practicing with snap caps at home. I love revovers and collect smith and wessons and would never try to steer any one away from buying one. But shooting with a double action is a lot more difficult than with a single action or semi auto. It takes different muscle control, breathing and holding a site picture is different.
    A 38 special is all you need and a 357 in a j frame is a fire breathing huge muzzle flash with lots of recoil that will sting your hand and sometimes hurt your trigger finger.
    You can listen to all the more people have been killed with a 22 crap all you want.But a 22 is not your best choice for conceal carry and trigger pull is not going be better on a 22 over any other caliber. Shooting double action with a 22 is also difficult to master.
    You could also buy a say model 36 used and use the hammer as you get good single action and after you learn the double have the hammer bobbed off.
    But i would not rule out a semi auto being way easier to learn with and way lighter trigger pull.Lots of great choices and the members in here can help point you to a good one that should do you a good job.I would ignore the 22 or 357 magnum suggestions and stick with a 38 special in a revolver and in a bottom feeder at least a 9mm or better a 40.
     
  11. InDefenseofLiberty

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    Check out Chiappa

    I know it looks weird but, if you are concerned about recoil you owe it to yourself to check out the Chiappa pronounced (key-AHH-puh) rhino revolver. Yes it looks strange but watch the live fire demonstration. Approximately the same recoil as a .22 with a .357 magnum round. Its expensive but, very cool.

    http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/725

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxuy8QPdbTg[/ame]
     
  12. Old_Crow

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    I like the SP101. In double action the trigger pull is enough that there will be no nervous or jittery discharge of the firearm. When I cock the gun my mind is made up I am going to shoot something. If you practice cocking a gun it's second nature to handle the gun in just that matter.

    It's the same way with a long gun. I don't take the gun off safety until I am raising it up to fire it. I don't disengage the safety because the dogs are eating the deer's tail off 100 yards in front of me or I know a covey of quail will flush at any moment.
     
  13. SatoriNoir

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    The low muzzle flip of the Chiappa Rhino is inherent to the low bore axis design. Instead of recoiling up and down, the Rhino recoils backwards into your arms and shoulders, allowing for very quick follow-up shots and ease in re-acquiring target sight.

    The shootability of the low bore design is easily compared in the picture below.

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  14. phildenton

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    A s&w in 357 is a great choice.
    You can still fire standard pressure .38 special, 110 to 125 grain bullet. Or if you plan on never firing 357 you can get it in 38+p
     
  15. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Where's your eye protection son?
     
  16. InDefenseofLiberty

    InDefenseofLiberty New Member

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    Not my video. If it were, you would see eye protection and ears.

    Oh yeah, i also wouldn't nit pick the first fundamental modification to revolvers in over 100 years. I would imagine the change to be significant and take some getting used to. You can remove that problem with a new shooter/first gun scenario.
     
  17. Old_Crow

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    Most of us have more than one gun. The notion that you can get by with one gun is like asking a mechanic to build a car with a crescent wrench. If you intend to become proficient with a gun beyond hitting a target at 7 yards you need 2 guns. A 22 to practice with and a gun that you defend yourself with, if you don't hunt.
     
  18. Old_Crow

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    That is why I despise gun ranges. Gun owners complain about the government telling us what to do. Yet a gun range is the most NAZI kill the fun from a sport place that ever existed. If eye protection was a necessary to fire a gun all the founding fathers would have been wearing eye patches. Guns were much more dangerous when we didn't have the technology to build eye protection. The first time I ever went to civilian pistol range I had a range officer yelling about rapid fire. I was shooting a single action revolver.

    Yes, I wear polycarbonate lenses. :p
     
  19. Blueguns

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    I'd reccomend a Ruger LCR in .380. The .380 is not an overwhelming caliber to start out with. I do think a .22 is the caliber to start with, but if you just want a good carry revolver that's hammer less the LCR in .380 is the way to go.
     
  20. SatoriNoir

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    I can certainly relate.

    I remember one time I decided to try shooting at a new range not too far away with my revolvers. I also use the same prescription glasses I wear daily as my eye protection at the range (polycarbonate huge "John Lennon" style circle lens).

    The nazi range officer there approached me and proceeded to inform me that I didn't have proper eye protection, and kept insisting I either rent or buy their eye wear in order to safely shoot at their range.

    Even though I told him my lens were specifically made polycarbonate and impact resistant, he said they were still not adequate!