first build first question

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by David26, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. David26

    David26 New Member

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    Came across a place here in houston called SOG armory and they planted the seed of building the AR i cant afford to buy.. So i have bought a military spec Aero Percision assembled lower and as long as i continiue to not smoke the ole lady gonna allow me to keep buying parts.. I guessing this is gonna take me a good 6mths to complete as i aquire i little extra money here and there. The next thing i plan on putting on it is a nice telscoping stock then get started on the upper reciver. My first question is as i read threw everyone elses post it seems to be the norm to buy a complete upper, is there a reason for that i was planning on buy stripped upper reciever and putting it together a little at a time wit the help of the guys at SOG who said they teach me what i need to know and assemble parts for me if needed and $400 for a complete upper is rarly in my funds..
     
  2. dog2000tj

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    I would say most buy a complete upper for the convenience of it. Depending on what you are looking for sometimes is hard to beat the complete upper pricing even when shopping around for parts.

    If you feel the urge by all means go for it and please keep us updated with you progress :)
     

  3. JohnJak

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    Plenty of new and used uppers can be had with a little bit of homework.
     
  4. mjkeat

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    I am a great example of finding a nice, lightly used higher end upper at a great price. I searched and waited until I came across a $475 complete upper from BCM. It even had a $155 muzzle brake already pinned, Magpul hand guard, and a Gunfighter charging handle. Just those 3 items would have cost me roughly $300+. The upper itself, which was out of stock, w/o bolt carrier group would have ran $399 plus shipping. As you can see I still am tickled about it

    I'm guessing all said and done it would have ran me over $800 w/ shipping and who knows how long it would have taken for it to become available on their site. After all that I would have had to send it off to have the muzzle devise pinned so there's another 3 weeks probably.

    The original owner had documented his usage in a thread on the forum and was a respected member so I felt comfortable.

    My point is take your time and keep your eyes open. Save up some money and sit on it until you come across a "deal". They are definitely out there.
     
  5. Quentin

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    Nothing wrong with building your upper if that's what you want and it doesn't end up costing you more, which it easily could. You can split up the cost of an upper by buying a barreled receiver then getting the BCG, charging handle, handguards/rail, sights later. If you're not doing anything special then standard tools in the garage can do the job. Or as you said you could buy the stripped upper and install everything, your call.

    I'd use this time to research ARs and parts. Zero in on exactly what you want and what your needs are. I'd be suspicious of SOG, they're in this to make money and you really don't need them. If they offer sage advice and are good armorers then maybe their charges are worth it. But there's a greater chance that you'd do a better job yourself if you do your homework. In the end you're building your rifle so scrutinize everyone else's opinion, including mine.

    Good thing you're quitting smoking, once you catch the black rifle disease you can't afford another addiction! :D
     
  6. Quentin

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    Man, that was a good deal, MJ! And for top quality, too. Goes to show how patience can save you big. And knowing when to jump on a deal.

    Add that to the Smartgunner deal a year ago and you've had a great year AR-wise!
     
  7. mjkeat

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    Quentin is correct about doing your research. It's really not hard and only requires time, an INTERNET connection, and well the ability to distinguish who's full of crap and who isn't.

    Proper tools make it a lot easier but other than a AR wrench I have never used the proper tools. I'm sure there's a "tools you'll need" thread but a good multi purpose AR wrench, rubber mallet, and a good brass punch set is all you'll technically need.

    A great source for parts is Ammunition, Magazines, Rifle Parts and Accessories. You can pick up a $99 mil spec BCG and low cost upper receiver, not to mention a decent barrel for $179.
     
  8. David26

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    damn i didnt expect that many responses so quikly. Got lots of time to decide whats next if i find it online or threw SOG.. nie thing about SOG is they got all the parts from full uppers to striped uppers and everything to go with em right there in store and i cant put my eyes and my hands on it before i buy plus they said if i buy from them the will help install for free Sure there better prices online but being able to walk in and get face to face help counts..
     
  9. mjkeat

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    Do they "make" their own parts or are they name brand parts?

    When I hear/see SOG I think knifes. I don't know if it's the same company but the SOG I know makes nice knifes.
     
  10. Quentin

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    I'd also like to hear more about their parts. If you don't know what you're getting ... well you're gonna get it. :eek:
     
  11. David26

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    Last edited: Dec 25, 2011
  12. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I checked out the site and first impressions weren't that great.

    Here's the SOG I know of. I have one of their knives and it has been great and is sharp as hell even 8 years later.
    SOG Specialty Knives & Tools, LLC
     
  13. Quentin

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  14. mjkeat

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    Just followed the link. $800 for an unknown upper when you can get a complete rifle for under $800 from Spikes or around $900 from BCM and Colt!? STUPID.

    The funny thing is there are people who will purchase it.
     
  15. optimator

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    Hell, I paid less than $800 shipped for my complete Noveske light recce upper!
     
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  16. Quentin

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    Yeah I thought that was funny when I clicked details and got nothing. $800 for what? :D

    Meanwhile for hundreds less, even after adding the BCG, CH and handguards, you can get this (with lots of details, all excellent!):

    BCM 16" Mid Length LIGHT WEIGHT Upper Receiver Group
     
  17. David26

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    Like i said i know i am gonna pay a little more then what i can find online and not sure about there site there in store prices didnt seem as bad.. i paid $170 For my lower parts kt installed and they said there fully asembledd uppers bcg and all start at $420 And go up.. they seem like they know what there doin and i real think i want to build a custom upper with all the extra crap i want a little at a time
     
  18. Quentin

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    Here's the problem, you don't care if they know what they're doing - YOU must know what YOU'RE doing and buy the right parts. You're not locked in to these guys are you? If not you can put any upper on that lower so why not get something good. I really don't think these guys are your friends.

    Are you locked in? Do you have to buy the whole rifle from them?
     
  19. David26

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    i am not locked into anybody sure any upper will bolt onto my lower.. not tryin to build a budget rifle either that why i am gonna build the upper so i can get all the stuff i want a little at a time..
    My biggest prob is i have always been into handguns and this will be my first AR i have no clue what parts and brands r good and witch ones r junk.. the only thing i have decided at this point is i like a flat top upper, shorter barrel (best quility i can get), around 16", and a free floating hand rail system.
     
  20. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Writing poorly like a child makes it difficult for anyone to assess your age and ability. Respect for your reader - i.e. clearly formed and written questions - will get you better answers.