Had a chance to try a club member's Jungle carbine yesterday at the benchrest range, 115m on 1ft² paper, offhand standing (did try sitting for a few rounds also). Not a chance of seeing the targets printed on there...or the paper itself barely. Just the post in front of something vaguely white & fuzzy a freaking long way away, heh (my eyes are getting old dammit!) Uh I think I've been spoiled by scopes... No I can't see them either lol Several people said you're doing good to get anything on first time with open sights, don't think they were bullsh1tting me...ha hope not (couple of .223 in there also) 'BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha! BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha!' says it all really, you couldn't help but laugh. My shoulder is well tenderised! Very fun, though I don't know how I'd go in a rapid comp...as I just couldn't cycle the bolt on the shoulder at all. And you'll get a new arse torn for you by our RO if you try to close the bolt in any other position while in competition! Then there's the dead arm afterwards heh. Still had a great time.