First attempt open sights

Discussion in 'Range Report' started by zhuk, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Had a chance to try a club member's Jungle carbine yesterday at the benchrest range, 115m on 1ft² paper, offhand standing (did try sitting for a few rounds also). Not a chance of seeing the targets printed on there...or the paper itself barely. Just the post in front of something vaguely white & fuzzy a freaking long way away, heh (my eyes are getting old dammit!)

    Uh I think I've been spoiled by scopes...


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    No I can't see them either lol

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    Several people said you're doing good to get anything on first time with open sights, don't think they were bullsh1tting me...ha hope not
    (couple of .223 in there also)



    'BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha! BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha!' says it all really, you couldn't help but laugh. My shoulder is well tenderised! Very fun, though I don't know how I'd go in a rapid comp...as I just couldn't cycle the bolt on the shoulder at all. And you'll get a new arse torn for you by our RO if you try to close the bolt in any other position while in competition!

    Then there's the dead arm afterwards heh. Still had a great time.
     
  2. 7point62

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    Nice old No 5. Always thought those flash supressors were a bit strange. It looks like an arm kicker.
     

  3. zhuk

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    I can attest to that :D
     
  4. kenhesr

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    :D Thats why my #5 is so pristine, nobody wants to shoot the "mule kick'in" old girl.

    Sure makes you appreciate the MK I & III or #4.

    I know exactly what you mean about scopes, without one, I'm just wasting ammo.

    Still and all, any day at the range, sure beats the crap out of a day at work!

    Great pics zhuk, thanks, Ken
     
  5. c3shooter

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    BTW, a note on the SMLE, iron sights, and rapid fire- from Wikipedia-

    The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "Mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.

    OK- I'm impressed. Sgt Instructor Snoxall- wherever you are- the beer is on me.
     
  6. zhuk

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    Hey ken thanks for the reply.


    Just a question. Haven't shot one, but from what you're saying a No.4 (or other similar enfield) doesn't have the same shoulder-maiming impact? Cos I'd really love to own one...but I think the no.5 would be out if Sunday is anything to go by :p

    Currently competing in Optics (ie scoped) class, but I'd really like to get proficient in Standard (which is classified as an unmodified or open sights military bolt action, Mosin/Mauser or Enfield are most popular).

    Really NO idea how people in my club can shoot open sights successfully at 200/300m...and that is rapids/4 sec snap targets also.

    Have major respect for them now [​IMG]
     
  7. zhuk

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    Bloody hell. Count me in on that c3 :eek:
     
  8. JonM

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    thats not too bad with iron sights. ive seen far worse shotgroupings here in wis from deer hunting types the week before deer season opens. people using 3-9x scopes on 30-06 with shotgun patterns much bigger than that.
     
  9. zhuk

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    Thanks Jon. I wasn't sure whether I was getting my leg firmly pulled by the blokes at the range or not - you never can tell :D
     
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  11. zhuk

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    Great to know, many thanks for that info ken. No wonder my shoulder was complaining; I went through 57 lol

    Can understand your sympathy pains now, heh. Nice photos.


    Well that definately gives me hope! I know there's a club member who shoots pretty exclusively with open sighted Enfields, he will jump at the chance to bring another shooter "into the fold" so I can try his. Won't shoot anything younger than about 1950 since it's all "that modern sh1t" :p

    Not sure how available period scopes are though - our comps require if in "Modified Division" that contemporary accessories be used on standard rifles. So I'd most likely shoot open sights in Standard...just makes it that much harder. Our captain says if you get standard rifles under your belt, going back to scopes you just kill it, score-wise :D


    Talking to one guy at the range on Sunday, he said the prices for these rifles has gone through the roof since semis were banned in '96 - SMLEs with very good bores/matching bolts etc are going for over 1000 bucks these days...not to mention something like this. What a beauty:

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    Although I'm sure you can get something that's still pretty accurate and not too shot out for maybe $500-600 or so. Used to be able to pick em up for about $100-150 in the pre-ban days apparently.
     
  12. c3shooter

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    The felt recoil of the SMLE or #4 is SUBSTANTIALLY less than the #5. The #5 also reportedly suffered from a problem known as a "wandering zero", due to cuts made in the receiver to lighten the rifle. For a true #4 sniper model, with the VERY nice wood shown in the photo, start shopping for a second mortgage on the house. However, if you are looking for a shooter, as opposed to the purist collector, there are no-gunsmithing scope mounts available, and (at least here in the states) you can get a decent shape Long Branch #4 for about $250.

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    Wood is not as pretty as your picture, metal is good, wears a #3 bolt head,
    and cost me $150.
     
  13. zhuk

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    Hmm, "wandering zero" that doesn't sound too good lol

    Have to say you've given me hope, c3 :)


    In the meantime, I can use the club Enfield that's been re-chambered for .223, shoot in Modified and get used to open sights, then try a couple of members' lent guns (I know someone's got a no.4) and after that start the search! Not going to bother with a scope so that should widen the available field (not to mention improve pricing prospects)

    Not a bad example here - and one of the less expensive offered. Like I said before, you're not going to find anything US-priced here! See that's what you get for banning semis :rolleyes:

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