First AR

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by taps50, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. taps50

    taps50 New Member

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    First off id like to say hello, I'm new to the forum and this is my first post. Anyway back to my question, I am about to buy my first AR and would like some advice as to which I sound get. I have a 750-800 price range. Ive been thinking of a DPMS AR, thoughts?
     
  2. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Brace yourself, for I'm about to give you the perfect answer to your question. At first sight, it might not be the answer you're looking for...but this is all really easy. You can and will succeed if you take this route. And the finished product will be about $400 better (in terms of parts and materials) than an $800 DPMS.


    • If you want to get the most bang for your buck...
    • If you want a $750 purchase that's good as-is, but also worthy of future upgrades...
    • If you value the opinion of some random dude on the internet (me), it's what I'd buy...

    Build your own, and buy this. The two most critical parts in an AR (barrel and BCG) are excellent in this setup. Truth be told, a lot of people pay more for similar quality in those two parts alone to what this whole setup costs. Yes, really.

    Building is easy. With a little help from YouTube, you'll successfully complete your rifle in an hour or two. And you'll have a better understanding of how your gun works. And the quality parts throughout this gun will actually warrant further investment if you decide on upgrades down the line.

    So if you buy this 'rifle kit' for $500, all that's left to buy is a stripped lower receiver ($80-180), rear flip sight (Magpul ~ $50), and then mags and ammo. See what your local gun stores have in stock for stripped lowers and simply buy one you like. When you buy it, ask them if you can bring your rifle in to tighten the castle nut (the only necessary tool you probably don't have at home) when complete. My guess is they'll happily oblige. The only other tools needed are a hammer, screwdriver, and a basic punch set ($5-10 @Walmart/etc if you need one). Building a lower is literally like playing 'Legos'.
     

  3. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    A very good and reasonably priced option is the S&W AR-15 Sport. These can be found in the $650 range, may take some looking. Backed by S&W, high quality and leaves enough left over for several hundred rounds of ammo.
     
  4. sweeper22

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    Best cheapo 'complete' deal out there.

    If you want cheap and are unwilling to build, this is surely the way to go. So long as it's $700 or less (out the door), it's a viable option in my opinion. Any more, and other options start to creep in.
     
  5. BRL

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    And a factory warranty that comes with a complete new rifle purchase is always desirable just in case.
     
  6. Bronco141414

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    I can't really be talking but i would stay away from the S&W Sport models as they do not have a forward assist nor a dust cover (Many are going to reply to me saying that those aren't needed for the range but its just my opinion!). I was also looking at the DPMS line but if you look further into the company there are mixed opinions. And to add DPMS does not have a lifetime warranty. My first (and current) AR15 Is the Del-Ton Echo 316 with magpul out of factory. When i purchased mine i was tied between the Echo and the DPMS. I got tired of stressing over it and shot for the purchase. And i am very happy with it. Sturdy, straight shooting gun with zero misfires after plenty of rounds down the barrel. I got mine through a link on slickguns.com (I forgot who recommended that sight to me on here, but THANK YOU) for just over $700. Good luck on your decision!
     

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  7. SkilletFan24

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    I definitely think it's a good idea to build your first AR. That's what I did. I learned so much about my rifle that way, and had a good time doing it
     
  8. Dahamp2003

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    I second the PSA deal. Just had a friend buy it yesterday. You really can't beat that for the price. It's just not gonna happen. And you really should build it. I was scared to when I started. Literally watched a youtube video while I did it for the first time and came out perfectly. Pretty easy.
     
  9. Ez2b

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    You guys building from 80 percent lower?

    EZ
     
  10. taps50

    taps50 New Member

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    Thank you all for your input, i actually do take random strangers input seriously. You all know more about them than I do, for now anyway lol. I will be looking into both the PSA build, and building my own. I have been on slickguns.com (or how ever you spell it) but I'm a little apprehensive of buying a gun online without being able to look at it in person.
     
  11. sweeper22

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    You'll find many voices on this forum that will mention PSA time and again when it comes to anything under $1K. In my experience you just can't beat their quality at that price. And I say that as someone who has three $1500-2000 rifles from other manufacturers.

    They also have complete rifles that go up for sale once or twice a month that include Aimpoint or Eotech red dot sights ($400 optics), for $900-1000. That's a pretty great deal as well.

    Want a complete $700 rifle you can find at your LGS?...S&W M&P
    You want the best quality available for $600-1000?...PSA, hands down
    $1200?...PSA/BCM
    $1400?...BCM/Daniel Defense

    Just my opinion. And don't fret building. It really is easy.
     
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  12. FrontierTCB

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    The guys are right on track as usual. I have built two over the last month using PSA. I've owned a couple ARs for years that were bought complete.

    By building you get the same or better quality and save a few hundred $$$ in the process. Like a lot of people I used to buy a complete rifle at full price then spend an extra 3 or 4 hundred swapping parts to get it the way I wanted it. Building you buy what you want along the way.

    And like stated it is a LOT easier than I thought it would be. YouTube and a couple simple tools is all you need.
     
  13. taps50

    taps50 New Member

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    I only have two questions about that PSA AR question. One when is it coming back in stock lol, and two I was talking to a buddy that owns 8 or so ARs and he told me that I would want a 1:9 barrel twist not the 1:7 twist. But now that I have been talking to a few people not just on here I think I am going to build my first one so I actually can learn how to disassemble and reassemble it properly.
     
  14. sputnik1988

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    PSA is pretty well swamped so stuff sells out quick, you just have to keep an eye on them to see when something comes back up. It's likely that a complete upper like the one in the kit will come up for sale before the kit does so you may have to piece it together. Still a great rifle at a great price though.

    As for the twist rate, 1/7 shoots 55 grain pretty well, but does exceptionally well with heavier loads (62,69,77 grain, ect.), now 1/9 is a bit more accurate with 55 grain loads but doesn't shoot the heavy stuff as well.

    A great compromise is the 1/8 but those can be difficult to come by.

    Personally given the choice between 1/7 and 1/9, for a general plinker I'd go 1/9, if you plan any hunting with it or just like heavier loads go 1/7, both will serve you well.

    Heres a chart to make it a little easier to understand.
     

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  15. taps50

    taps50 New Member

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    Well now that its back in stock i just need to get my tax return. I've also been looking at a CMMG kit, its about the same price, and i can pick up the CMMG kit locally. Does anyone have an opinion on CMMG?
     
  16. BRL

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    My only experience with CMMG has been to purchase one of their .22 Long Rifle dedicated uppers, and if that product is any indication of their quality, I'd say you couldn't go wrong with them. :cool:

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  17. sigman84

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    I built from a %100 lower

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  18. sweeper22

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    Twist rate is somewhat overrated, unless you're setting up a bench/varmint/target rifle to shoot specific bullets. So long as you're shooting 50-69gr rounds (which covers 99% of the AR shooting population), anything 1:7 to 1:9 will suffice for the first hundred yards or two.

    My opinion is that 1:8 is ideal. It shoots everything really well, but they're not always easy to find within the scheme and price you may desire. 1:9 and 1:7 are plenty good 95+% of the time in my experience. I believe a lot of people go overboard stating 1:7 is 'the standard' just because it's 'milspec'. But I find 1:7 every bit as useful as 1:9. If I were building a strictly varmint gun to shoot only sub-60gr bullets, I would not buy 1:7...but that's the soul detractive senario for 1:7.

    I've owned and built rifles in all three twist rates. I currently own two 1:7 'combat' type rifles, and one 1:8 stainless that is set up to be more of a precision rifle. All three are midlengths. Just the recipes that work for me. YMMV.
     
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  19. Bronco141414

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    slickguns.com is very trustworthy (there links). What you can do is see a gun at the store (your local gun store, walmart, academy, etc) and if you like the feel, order it online. You get to inspect the gun before you sign for it wherever you pick it up! Exactly what i did