First AR, need advice

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Down_Town_Dalton, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    I just recently bought a carbon bushmaster from gander for 849. I know the price is horrible but I have a few questions. I bought a magpul hand guard and I am debating getting a magpul adjustable stock. Is the gun worth me investing time and money into or should i just try and sell it ?
     
  2. kiabe1

    kiabe1 New Member

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    Carbon 15 is an ok platform at best so i would try and sell it and try to get a cheap mid range rock river or dpms panther
     

  3. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    I'd sell it, the C15 isn't a great AR. In today's market you'd likely make a $100 or more and could get a much better AR. Things seem to be easing up so a little patience could get you a milspec PSA and money for ammo, mags, etc.
     
  4. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Let's see first AR advice:

    1. Wait until you can afford to purchase an AR of mil-spec quality or better. That somewhat limits your choices, but Colt, BCM, DD, and others all produce quality carbines at reasonable prices, current panic buying environment notwithstanding. Quality costs money, but a 1K Colt lightweight carbine is not too expensive if you stake your life on the quality and reliability of the weapon.

    2. Use MagPul PMAG magazines, the Gen M2 and Gen M3 magazines are both better than USGI aluminum in every relevant way (cost, reliability, durability). If you can't accidentally step on a magazine and use it afterwards, don't buy it. I think running over a magazine with a truck is a little extreme, but it's nice to know that if I forget to pack up a magazine or it falls off the bed of my truck while backing out of the parking lot at the range that it can take the abuse and continue to function.

    3. There are four accessories that are requirements for any mil-spec carbine for HD.

    - Sling (single point, two point, bungee cord and duck tape, whatever just get a usable, reliable sling)

    - SureFire weaponlight (there is no other brand of light with the reliability and durability of a SureFire)

    - BUIS (if your carbine did not come with a front and/or rear sight)

    - Aimpoint or EoTech optic (nobody with human eyes can line up three points at different distances in front of the eye faster than two points)

    4. Take a carbine course from a reputable training outfit. If you aren't in physically good condition, thought you needed more crap on your weapon than you really did, or thought there's no difference in weight and balance between a lightweight DI AR carbine and a piston carbine suitable for use as an infantry weapon, the course will teach you the error of your ways better than some random guy, like me, on the internet telling you so.

    5. If you like your AR, keep it. If not, sell it. Don't take advice from random guys on the internet.

    All of my advice assumes your first AR is for defense and not for precision target shooting or plinking.
     
  5. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    I think your prie is actually pretty deent considering the current panic prices.

    Also I am not mesmerized by brands the way others are.

    Is a polymer lower as good as a quality aluminum one probal not.
    Will it make a difference in your current use?
    Who knows.

    I have owned both very high end ( Daniel Defense) and entry level Ar's such as Delton.
    Todays entry level guns are of such improved quality that 15 years ago they would ahve been considered mid range.

    Functionally the differene between a gun of pre panic MSRP of 1500 and pre panic MSRP of 800 is incremental IMO.

    I can afford high end gear but i really trust my entry level guns as well especially after the first testfire.
     
  6. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    I'd consign it with a local dealer and ask them what they think they could quickly move it for. Depending on the local market, that might even be as much as $1250...which might leave you $1100. That's enough to build a really solid AR through PSA.
     
  7. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    Wow thanks for the replies I went a head and put on my own magpul CTR stock and handguard and vertical magpul Foregrip. I got an offer for 1450 cash. Should I take the money and run? If so id like to build my own but with the way things are right now, where should i go about finding the right uppers and lowers? And what exactly are the better brands ? Thanks everyone for the advice.
     
  8. Squawk

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    I'd sell it and build one. May take you up to 3 months or more to get all the parts together. I recently finished building my first for about $1500. That's with everything in the picture.
     

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  9. Cattledog

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    That's actually a pretty great offer. If you're prepared to wait for other inventories to catch up, sell it.

    Better brands? Geeze....um anything with a milled, mil spec aluminum lower is going to be an upgrade, even another bushy. DPMS, rock river, stag, S&W, Colt (of course. because, horse:D) I'll even throw in Del-ton just for kicks. Keep browsing the AR threads for more opinions. If AR brand opinions were currency, no one would be in debt....ever.

    Here's a buyers guide I wrote http://www.firearmstalk.com/entries/A-First-Time-Buyers-Guide-to-the-AR15.html Just because Im a shameless self promoter. :eek:
     
  10. sweeper22

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    Uh, yes. Don't delay, do it now(!!!), and don't look back. That's plenty for your bargain box store generic AR to evolve into a "big boy" rifle, free of charge. What more could you ask for?

    There are many great build sites, but I would start with PSA (Palmetto State Armory). Their prices are always outstanding, they're constantly adding stock, and their quality rivals many of those who charge 20-50% more. JoeBobOutfitters is equal to PSA in price, but sells out fast. BCM and AIM Surplus are also excellent sources, but moderately more expensive and sold out of whatever stock they have in seconds.

    (The need to know of...) What's hard to get in a build right now:

    1) A good BCG. These were actually highly difficult before Newtown. Backordering one would not be a bad idea. And then keep shopping. Why? Because you can afford a backup with your prospective sale price, and this is a critical "backup" part worth having an extra of.

    2) Lower receiver, magazines, ammunition. All are difficult. If you're planning a quality build (and appreciate resale value) I do recommend spending the extra $40-100 for a desireable lower. No, it won't necessarily be legitimately "better". But it's the badge that your AR will forever wear, and it will or will not advertise/imply the quality of build.

    3) Everything else is easy. Charging handles are easy. Sights and optics are easy. Lower parts kits are slightly difficult. But I recommend waiting until PSA lists one of their Magpul LBKs (lower build kits), which are everything you need to complete a lower (in style) for $200 or less.
     
  11. Squawk

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    If you order from Palmetto State Armory, be prepared to be very patient. Great Quality products. Long shipping times and horrible quality control (missing parts.)
     
  12. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    The only thing keeping me from selling it is after putting all the magpul stuff on, it's starting to grow on me. Even though I've yet to shoot it so I'm kinda torn
     
  13. sweeper22

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    I've done $6-8K in business with them in the last few months.


    Zero issues. And their (FN) barrels are out-freakin-standing.
     
  14. Squawk

    Squawk New Member

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    LBK took a month to ship and it was missing Front Pivot Pin. Took another week and a half to mail out. So I'm a little sour but I will buy from them again due to Quality and Price that are hard to match. I want to get a Spikes lower to replace my M&P lower in current rifle (that has Spikes Complete Upper) an then build a PSA complete rifle next.
     
  15. Cattledog

    Cattledog New Member

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    Yeah, that'll happen. If you do keep it, just be aware that the last offer you got is the high for that rifle and you may not see it again, ever. As far as the mods go, you can do it all over again. That's the fun part anyway right? Well, aside from actually shooting the dam thing.

    Seems we all pretty much agree that you should flip it, but it's your rifle.
     
  16. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Some idiot is gonna give you $1450 for a C15? :eek:

    Yeah sell it now!
     
  17. TexasGunner

    TexasGunner New Member

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    For that price I would sell sell sell! :eek:
     
  18. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Lets not call someone an Idiot just because he is in a hurry to get a functional AR which this is.

    Are better deals available? Yes but you'll have to WAIT and wait and wait.
    Most of us have AR's more than one and dont feel presured to ahve something NOW.

    Imagine if you dindt have one and wanted one NOW woukldnt you pay a little extra to get one right now??
    And that person might come here askign for advice too, I'd hate for him to read such.
     
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  19. sweeper22

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    Hmm, let's see...

    I can (A) build a pretty excellent $1000-1500 AR for $1100-1800 at the moment. Or (B) I can buy a bottom of the barrel $700 AR for $1500 or so. Which do I choose?

    Yep, if I chose option "B", all should feel welcome to label me an idiot...as I've already done my part to label myself exactly that.

    The current market is dictated by fools chasing $700 ARs. Those fools seem to seek minimally adorned "factory" rifles with carry handles that "look the part" of the profile they see on CNN or video games. This is the definition of the term "fool". It's both an opinion and a fact, IMO. And I'm applying that label to consumers and legislators alike. Fortunately, fools lack stamina. So things should settle down soon enough, and those familiar with this market will ultimately benefit from the current situation as well as the eventual outcome.

    Don't get me wrong. $700 ARs (DPMS, Del-Ton, S&W, whomever) are in fact pretty excellent rifles at that price. Honestly, it's pretty tough to screw up an AR. But jumping on one of these at 100+% markup above retail is just silly.
     
  20. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    I would agree that buying an entry level AR at this time is a sub optimal choice as they tend to be marked up 100%, and high end AR only 20-30% and in the end are only marginally more.

    But not everyone has the expertise that we do.
    I will not make fun of a fellow american that has limited expertise and feels threatened by his governmetn so he feels the need to urgently equip himself wtih whatever he can find and afford.