First Aid for Down Attacker?

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by czfreak, Apr 2, 2014.

  1. czfreak

    czfreak New Member

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    Do you believe you should administer first aid to a downed attacker? Say an intruder is in my home, i end up having to shoot him and have stripped him of his weapon. At this point should i begin any life sustaining treatment i am able to? Or would you let the man, that could potentially be saved from death, die in the time it takes paramedics to arrive?
     
  2. Mercator

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    Only as an academic question. You have no duty to resuscitate a person who seconds ago was about to kill you, regardless of what you do for a living.
     

  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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  4. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I'm not touching anybody that's bleeding. I don't carry latex gloves.
     
  5. morgoth

    morgoth New Member

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    I am not trained or qualified to give first aid help.
    I could throw a rag to him I guess. :)
     
  6. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Yup, MzGrn and I both read that Thread as well. But I Agree with others here. He was trying to kill me a minute ago. Regardless of the $300+ in EMT supplies and gear I have, it's not getting used on someone trying to take my valuables, Period. At that point I'm having a Stroke or a Bells Palsy attack by then anyway and need to be taken to the hospital.


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  7. eatmydust

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    The likelihood that whomever you may be forced to shoot in self defense is also armed with atleast one or two knives is very high. I would not get within arms reach of a downed attacker.

    The Golden Rule does not apply here, self preservation and your right to protect yourself and family trumps being a good Samaritan. IMO
     
  8. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    OK, a prison guard buddy of mine taught me the perfect safe resuscitation method in this case. Grab a paper cup, cut the bottom out, stomp on his chest 3 times with your dominant foot to clear the air passage, kneel beside the injured perpetrator, put the paper cup up to your lips like a little megaphone, take a breath then state loudly through the little paper Megaphone,"You Gonna Die Sucker". Then calmly call 911 and tell them to send someone to sweep up the garbage!
     
  9. Doc3402

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    Only if you are absolutely sure it will be safe for you to do so. If you are convinced you will be safe, I strongly suggest you render aid to the best of your ability, even if you are untrained. Now would be a good time to check the Good Samaritan Law in effect for your area to see if there are any limitations.

    There are both legal and psychological reasons behind my suggestion. If you render aid you are one step closer to having the jury like you. If the jury likes you they are more apt to believe you when you say you had no choice in the shooting.

    Psychologically you will have an easier time coping with the aftereffects of the shooting if you did something to try to keep the guy from dying. It also makes an impression on the first officer if he initially sees you as a caregiver, and not a shooter. That might make things a lot easier for you.

    If your attacker is down and unconscious there is next to no chance that what you do will bring him back to fighting trim. Without fluid replacement therapy that shouldn't be a concern. Getting the attackers blood on you is not really a concern unless your skin barrier is compromised. If you routinely have open cuts on your hands you should never play in other people's body fluids without barrier protection.

    Remember, do not attempt any aid unless you are convinced it will be safe for you to do so. Don't focus on helping to the point that you lose track of your surroundings. Protect yourself first.
     
  10. morgoth

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    I doubt I could give aid to a person threatening me or my Family.
    I do not believe I have an obligation to do so, either morally or legally.
    I will be in another room comforting my Family until the Police or Ambulance arrive to try and save the intruder from bleeding out.
    I don't want to save a guy that may come back to visit me and square up with me.
    The more Home Invasion types that get theirs the better for a decent society for the majority of us.
     
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  11. Doc3402

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    I can totally understand that, but I do suggest you don't leave the attacker alone. At a bare minimum keep an eye on him to make sure the situation doesn't change.

    My suggestion is just that, a suggestion. I can certainly understand your thoughts and the thoughts of so many others in this thread. None of you will get an argument from me. Let's all hope that it's a decision none of us will ever have to make.
     
  12. morgoth

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    I know where you are coming from Doc.
    I would not leave a situation where there are any doubts.
    Its all good. :)
     
  13. TennTrucker

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    My first thought was, you should have been a better shot. My simple rules for having a firearm for self defense is, don't have it unless your fully prepared to use it, if I feel threatened enough to pull it, then don't hesitate, shoot to kill. So no mercy at this point.
     
  14. Mercator

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  15. Axxe55

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    say something along those lines, you might need the services of a good attorney.

    you never shoot to wound, you never shoot to kill. you are shooting to stop a threat. nothing more, nothing less.
     
  16. Jagermeister

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    Here is the thing. Some bad guy comes to your house to do evil things. You shoot him.... But show mercy by saving his life. Now, the evil doer will sue your ass for rendering first aid without proper medical credentials. Bad guy wins....you feel like a chump.
     
  17. TennTrucker

    TennTrucker New Member

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    The old saying stands, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    many times the less said the better, unless you have an attorney present. and if not, most attorneys will tell you not say anything at all.

    IMO, i would never compromise my safety or my families safety to render aid to someone i just shot in self defence. if they are not dead, they can still pose a threat to some degree. as a human being, i do still feel obligated to help even some scumbag who tried to do harm to myself or others, as long as it didn't compromise my safety others.
     
  19. purehavoc

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    The law here states even if you know how and are certified to do so you do not have to provide anyone with first aid or resuscitation. In this instance he is going to bleed out long before they get my help