First 45-70

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cva209x50, Aug 7, 2014.

  1. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    Thinking about getting a 45-70. How bad do they kick?

    I can handle the recoil from 12 gauge slugs 1 oz or lighter (2.75" only), I should be able to handle a 45-70 ... right?

    If I get one, it will probably be a '95 Marlin.

    Anybody have any experience with the guide gun '95 variant? How bad do they kick?
     
  2. JCS53

    JCS53 That looks like it hurt Lifetime Supporter

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    I have the 1895 GBL. It is the 18" barrel and I put a Wild West Trigger on it. The 45-70 can be quite mild or fairly abusive. The beauty of the 45-70 round is it can be loaded in a multitude of ways. I have Hornady Leverlutions in 200 grain that are a real pleasure to shoot...but then I also have 450 grain Buffalo Bore that are quite a handful. I still Love the gun and if you are shooting 1 oz. slugs you should be just fine. I myself really enjoy a good Kicker now and again anyway...JMO...
     

  3. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It can't be that bad. They make derringers in .45-70 :D
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89cMnfxXy0[/ame]
     
  4. SSGN_Doc

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    If you look up reloading data, you will usually find that .45-70 loads are separated into different categories. One would be for use in older guns like trap-doors. Another category is for modern guns. Since the round was originally developed in the black powder era and some of the guns are still around, you'll find a lot of factory stuff is pretty mild.
     
  5. rn-cindy

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    The only experience i have with the Marlin 45-70 Guide gun is wanting one for a while now...and drooling on them at the gun shop....lol. No..the old farts at the range let me shoot theirs sometimes..dosnt kick as hard as a Magnum Deer Slug...I'm not sure how to describe it..It's more of a "push" than a 'kick" Feels nice..Just make sure you got it shouldered good..or the side of your boob will be bruised up the next day.......:D
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

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  7. donthav1

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    our local Runnings has a Magnum Research BFR in 45-70, I have no desire to own it or shoot it :D

    a friend of mine has a H&R single shot in 45-70, I think the barrel is around 28" long. he really likes it, says the recoil isn't bad at all.
     
  8. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have a .500 S&W magnum handi rifle. The recoil is pushy but doesn't hurt... for the few times I have fired it. Ammunition is extremely expensive.
     
  9. 303tom

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    This thing will darn near tear your arm off...................My .45-70.
     

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  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you can handle a 12 ga. with slugs, you won't have a problem with a 45-70. get into the heavier weight bullets, the recoil is going to go up some.
     
  11. cva209x50

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    I was looking at ammo prices for the .45-70.

    A 20 rd box of factory ammo on average is $40+.

    The ammo for my m43 Spanish Mauser is cheaper than that ($18-$25 for surplus, $35-$40 for modern ammo).

    I don't want to pay that much for ammo to shoot a rifle that may or may not jack up my shoulder. If I want to do that, I'll shoot my buddy's m82 Barrett with his custom handloads (supposedly he makes these 50 bmg handloads that are so powerful, they are the closest thing anyone has ever been to making a 50 bmg magnum).
     
  12. Shoobee

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    I am sure that nothing kicks as badly as magnum shotgun slugs. So if you can take that, you can take anything.

    The 45-70's were buffalo guns in their day, repeaters that worked ok on Indians too.

    But like the modern 5.56x45mm debates, the true assault carbine of its day was the 30-30. Shooting at Indians with a 45-70 would quickly wear out your shoulder.

    A 45-70 in lever action is a great saddle gun in bear country (Canada). But if you don't ride horses, it is not a very good choice for anything else.

    For optimal performance NOT on a horse in North America, I would instead recommend the 300 RUM in bolt action. This caliber is also a Canadian design, meant to kill brown bears and anything else that lurks in the north woods.

    And for your matching side arm a 45 ACP, since you need something against the 2 legged predators in addition.
     

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  13. eatmydust

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    I've got the Marlin 1895 XLR in .45-70, you can handle it. It's recoil is on par with a 12 ga. slug gun and a step down from 12 ga. 3 1/2" turkey mags, maybe 2 steps down from those.

    Make sure it's snugged into your shoulder and keep your eye an adequate distance from the scope's eye piece.;)
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    30-30 against Indians? seriously? when the 30-30 came out in 1895, i am pretty sure the Indian problem was something of the past as most were on reservation by this time.

    so where did the 30-30 play a part? much less by this time even the 45-70?
     
  15. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    Yeah, are you sure you're not getting it confused with calibers like : 44rf, 38-55, 44-40, or any of the calibers the sharps and Spencer came in?
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the 30-30 came out in 1895. the 45-70 came out in 1873. by the time the 30-30 came out, the Indians were pretty much already relegated to the reservations. meaning there weren't a lot of Indian fighting going on by that time. so it's doubtful anyone would get a sore shoulder from shooting a 45-70 at Indians and have switched to the 30-30 instead.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-30_Winchester

    Shoobee needs to brush up his history before posting misinformation.
     
  17. Rex in OTZ

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    Allot the old 45-70 rifles had a narrow metal crescent butt plate, I think that's where the harsh recoil tales come from, We have 3 single shots in 45-70Govt, they don't seem to recoil any worse than a Mosin Nagant or a rifle chamberd in .308.
     
  18. BK3220

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    The 405 gr loads are mild recoil/low pressure loads, the 350 gr hp loads are hotter and kick about like a 12 ga slug.
     
  19. sandog

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    The Marlin Cowboy's with the tapered octagon barrel and the old round barrel 1895's made since the 70's do kick a bit with stout loads because they are so light, but no worse than most 12 ga. w/ slugs. A recoil pad will help instead of the hard plastic butt plate, and some of the 1895 Guide guns have ported barrels which will help some more. My Shiloh Sharps, despite the short barrel, is better than my Marlin with the short octagon because the Sharp's barrel is massively thick and adds weight. I've been getting to Bismarck to shop lately since I'm working in the oil patch out of Dickinson. If you are over this way you can try out my 45/70's.
     

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  20. St8LineGunsmith

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    You beat me to it
    I am pretty sure the .44-40 was the most widely used
    by the cavalry during the massacres of the native Americans
    the 45-70 was sought after by the buffalo shooters.