First 1911

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by deathkricket, Jan 27, 2010.

  1. deathkricket

    deathkricket New Member

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    I went and payed for my first 1911 today, never really cared much for them but saw one that caught my eye so i picked it up (kinda). I dont know if it was the fact that every one in the gun store was twice my age but i got the feeling they were not happy to sell me the gun as they were giving me hoops to jump though that was VERY uncalled for as i have bought lots of guns from almost all the local gun stores around my house and have never had a problem with getting one, iv showed my military id, a bill, and a copy of my orders to the base I'm stationed and my CC permit. To them that wasn't enough so i have to get a few more id's before they will sell it to me. I had my wife try to buy it and they flat out told her they wont sell it, or any other gun to her before they even asked for ID or anything. So aside from the worst service i have ever seen, they are the only gun shop in the area with that gun. I am getting the Springfield Champion 1911 and was wondering if any of you who have owned or shot them can tell me, A- if its worth the hassel and B how they are in terms of reliability, accuracy and any other points you'd like to make on them. The thing i like most about it is the fact that it's small enough to fit my hand and carry without a lump on my side. If i do manage to pick it up i will shoot it and post something in the range report section, thx
     
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  2. MoHawk

    MoHawk New Member

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    I'll be honest, I'd have ordered it off line before I dealt with such an unworthy place, especially towards a military member. Congrats on the new piece though
     

  3. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    A big +1, if they are treating Military or cops that way then they don't need to be in business anymore. I would try to find it on line or have another gun shop order it. Then I would make sure they never had the business of me, my family or anyone else who would listen.

    Thanks for the service.
     
  4. canebrake

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  5. CA357

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    Thanks for your service. Tell them to go screw.
     
  6. willfully armed

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    I'd tell 'em to kiss the fattest part of my ass as I walked out of their douche bag vending location.

    Although its a good thing they wouldn't sell your wife the gun. You two would have been violating federal law. I almost got two Army boys arrested for attempting a straw purchase in front of me at a gunshow. One was delayed, so he tried to get his buddy to buy it for him. We refused sale to both, and advised them to leave the show.

    Anywho, F the jaggoffs and find another gunstore.
     
  7. deathkricket

    deathkricket New Member

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    My second shotgun i bought was a moss 590,me and my wife were in the store looking at it and decided to get it, when i was filling out the paper work i relized i had forgotten my orders at home so the sale's men let her buy it. It was probably the fact the he already knew me as i buy most of my ammo and guns from him. I wasn't attempting to straw buy, or anything of a illegal purchase, i had mentioned it to my wife when i got home she can go buy it as a present and she did go later in the day,(My bad, i didn't word the right) but was told they would not sell her a gun.
    I understand if you can't purchase a fire arm it is illegal to have someone go and obtain it for you,( its on the papers when you buy a gun) :rolleyes:
    Any way i already realize it's a crappy store and it will be my last time there, i wanted to know from the community the high and low points of the hand gun in question:)
     
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  8. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    You- " i relized i had forgotten my orders at home so the sale's men let her buy it for me"

    Even if your intentions weren't criminal, you still broke the law.

    BUT, intentions can get you the Nobel prize...........





    As for the springfield-

    My first 1911 was a Springer, and I loathed it.

    I've owned 2 kimbers since, and they are much better than the Springer ever was. But, I know the TRP is a better gun than any Kimber Ill ever own. The same way that a Les Baer is a better gun than any TRP......
    Now, I'm not familiar with the Champion, what's the price?
     
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  10. Gojubrian

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    I wouldn't buy from them after being treated that way. I purposely avoid a particular shop in my area after a couple incidences.
     
  11. deathkricket

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    This should clear things up, As i am Legally able to purchase a fire arm, My wife can indeed be there with me and put it under her name, the "straw buyer" law refers to someone who cannot legally purchase a fire arm, I E a felon. I posted this in response to a question about the "straw buyer law", so my wife buying me the shotgun because i didnt have my orders was legal.

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    Straw buying as defined by the federal law

    A straw purchase is any purchase whereby the purchaser is knowingly acquiring an item or service for someone who is, for whatever reason, unable to purchase the item or service themselves.

    A straw purchase is not per se illegal in most cases, except as noted below. For example, someone may purchase an automobile for another who, due to poor credit, cannot purchase it themselves. The purchase is not illegal; however most financial institutions (ie Banks) have very strict policies regarding this unscrupulous practice; if the other party defaults on payment, the original purchaser would be liable for the debt even if s/he could not collect the debt and/or repossess the car from the other party.

    However, the term is widely used within the context of United States federal gun laws, whereby a straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not distinguish between someone who is purchasing on behalf of a person who legally cannot purchase or possess a firearm, and one who is not. In the United States, straw purchases are a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 for both the straw purchaser (who can also be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the ultimate possessor. One of the questions on form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm” and the purchaser must answer honestly yes or no, by checking the appropriate box in ink. However, purchase of a firearm as a bona fide gift for someone who can legally own such a firearm is permitted. <------------

    Many gun shops have jointly participated in programs (such as: “Don’t Lie For The Other Guy”) to deter such purchases.

    Another example of an illegal straw purchase involves alcohol; these purchases are particularly common as persons under the drinking age (21 in the United States) frequently request that a person above the legal age purchase alcohol for them. If intent can be proven, this action is illegal and punishable according to state and federal law.
     
  12. deathkricket

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    As defined in the above post, if you tell me i broke a law i would be glad to hear what one and have the law posted, according to the straw law as defined above, me nor my wife broke no law as i am able to purchase and own fire arms. if you need any more laws defined PM me and ill be glad to talk;)
     
  13. General_lee

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    Either the folks at that gun shop are just a-holes, or the salesman is in love with that gun and wanted it for himself. Either way, that is not the way to conduct a business and I would go elsewhere.
    I think you would be happy with the springer, I own two Springfields and I think they're the best thing since pre-sliced bread.
     
  14. deathkricket

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    Went and picked it up today, and i must say other then only having one mag with it, its not a bad gun and the first i have bought that came with a holster and a mag holder for 2 mags... I cant wait to get to the range later today and test her out, ill do a rang report soon as i get back home.
     
  15. YoungGunWill

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    I wouldnt knock springfield, I shot a G.I. 45 from a freind in the Navy and its groups were TIGHT. He had only positve things to say about it.
     
  16. MB44

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    Half of the pleasure of buying guns (and other expensive articles) is the purchase itself. I would have walked away, but I was just like you when I was younger, so I know what that "itch" feels like,...... It is not meant to be a negative comment, but when I was younger and I saw something I liked I just had to have it "right now", and I made various bad purchases on this account. Over time you will learn to walk away. I am in a similar situation: I've seen this Taurus 1911 I want, and it is the same dealer where I some month ago bought my SIG P250. I have had some problems with the P250, and the dealer has not been very helpful, so I decided to take my business elsewhere. He is the only one in my area that has that 1911, and if I order it from Taurus I will have to wait 6-12 months before I can get my hands on one, but that is probably what I will end up doing....

    But now that you got it congrats....