Firearms manufacturing companies/ starting one

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by Twpbaseball10, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. Twpbaseball10

    Twpbaseball10 New Member

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    In general, how did these guys start their own buisness. I would love to start a big company and manufacture guns. I know being a plain gunsmith there is hardly any money involved. But if I had a good idea and wanted to manufacture a line of new products, how would I go about that? should I get a buisness degree or some type of degree in college and then go to gunsmithing school. Or just go to gunsmithing school and then try to work for a little and then try to start making your products? If I were to start one I dont want to be a huge companie like remington or colt etc. Something like ed brown is kinda what im looking to do. He does 1911 and rifles and thats it. Could I start off small and progressivly get bigger and still make money and not go broke? I will take anyone opinion and help they could give me. thanks for your time!!
     
  2. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    I would think gunsmithing school & a degree in design/engineering would be a good start. Knowing about small business wouldn't hurt either. It sounds like a lot of schooling but you'll need all those skills & more if you're going to succeed. The thing to do is offer a product/service that ain't already out there or is superior to the others out there for a decent price.
     

  3. triggerman770

    triggerman770 New Member

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    Manufacture guns

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    In general, how did these guys start their own buisness. I would love to start a big company and manufacture guns"
    Then you'll need "big Money" to start.
    an 07 FFL for 2
    a good firearms attorney
    a building big enough to house the manufacuring machinery(lathe; milling machine;surface grinder;maybe heat treat equiptment and ad infinitem
    you will need also a good business plan to follow, and decide on what type of guns you want to "manufacture"
    Ruger manufactures guns by making the receiver;making the barrel;making or subbing the stocks/grips. then assembly and shipment to distributors.

    Maybe I have a different definition of your use of the work manufacture
    if you are talking about "customizing a gun, well that's a lot different.
    the first step there is having enough experience to get noticed in that area.
    with the great number of custom gunsmiths that will be a big hurdle
     
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  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    The first step in the process after your education would be to leave New Jersey and move to a gun friendly State.
     
  5. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Here's one.....Bring money.....Tons of it!!
     
  6. triggerman770

    triggerman770 New Member

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    manufacturing

    I missed the part about New Jerksey.
    in that case call Sarco they'll tell you how it is to deal with the STATE(or is that Reich) goverment. my customer can buy a gun from them and have it shipped to me for transfer. I am an FFL and cannot buy guns or receivers from them as I am not the end user. not federal just New JerKsey
     
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Besides meeting the LEGAL requirements (manufacturer's license, business license, etc) you will need to know- or have trusted partners/ employees that know-

    1. Business. What is net 30? What is a Dun & Bradstreet? What are accounts payable? Do I lease or buy? How do I calculate payoll? Who do I send Social Security and Medicare deductions do- how often, how much? What do you mean, I can't fire him?

    2. Insurance. You will need it for property, equipment, stock, workers (workers comp) and liability

    3. A business attorney. Incorporate? How structured? In what state do I incorporate. Taxes? Patents? Marketing plans?

    It is more than having a lathe and a Bridgeport miller.
     
  8. dnthmn2004

    dnthmn2004 New Member

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    Like Massachusetts :p
     
  9. Twpbaseball10

    Twpbaseball10 New Member

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    Yea I was really planning on getitng out of new jersey because this really is a bad state for guns. But what I really wanted was a small place for ar-15 receiver and 1911's. The reason for this is just because I have a couple ideas I want to add the these parts that I think would sell pretty nice. But im not looking for a huge place where I am making every single part. Just a couple milling machines to make the receivers and eventually add on if I need to.
     
  10. Jim1611

    Jim1611 New Member

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    Do you know anything about machining steel? A degree in business and knowing how to dot all the i,s and cross all the t,s is helpful but if you can't figure out how to machine accurate parts in a timely manner you will go broke. Before you dive to far into this I'd say try and find a job working for some of these guys that have been doing this for a while. Also manufacturing a product and getting it to the point that people are buying it is not an easy prospect. This must also be more than just wanting to make money, it must be a passion for you. It must be something you think and dream of when everyone around you is thinking and dreaming of what they're going to do with their day off or whatever.

    Rome wasn't built in one day my friend, keep that in mind. Now go talk to some of the older guys that have been at this a while and see what they have to say. Also as someone that has been machining things for 32 years and now self-employeed ours is a trade that college can't teach you it's learned from experience.
     
  11. Twpbaseball10

    Twpbaseball10 New Member

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    Yea in my summers I been trying to get jobs at machine shops and try to get as much info as I can from my cousin who works in remington. I know it's not something easy but I would rather work with guns for the rest of my life than make a lot of money doing anything else
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    most of these guys are giving you good advise and information. another obstacle to consider is the present state of our economy. trying to find someone to lend start up capital for you to get going is going to be hard. not trying to be a wet blanket to your dream, just pointing out reality. times are tough and money is tight.
     
  13. rockhouse

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    I'm not a business major so I'll let others speak to that point and speak just on the technical with my humble opinion as an engineer. I think unless you found a specific "gun engineering program" don't waste your time with an engineering program. Being a professional engineer is not required to design a gun and you will not find the word gun in any professional engineering exam to receive profession licensure. I would start with gun smithing school, work and learn that trade and take a few classes in machining. Take some courses in computer aided drafting and manufacturing (CAD/CAM). This will allow you to digitally design parts for a gun and generate machine drawings. Take the part drawings to a machine shop and sub out that work until you are able to perform in house (very high cost equipment). Take any additional courses you feel you need to bridge the gaps (metallurgy, etc). I feel a good quality machining course will teach you all you need about metallurgy. Basically design your own curriculum for what you need.