Firearm Chain Store Snitching?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Soliferrum, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. Soliferrum

    Soliferrum New Member

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    So after moving to Texas, i am thoroughly and incredibly disappointed in the firearm atmosphere. I moved from Ohio and they seemed more pro gun than this state. Up in the OH i had no problem finding a firearm of my choosing, within 10 miles of my location at any given time. So now that i am stranded in a state that seemed to bolster its own reputation to the rest of the country, my options have been dramatically reduced to nothing.

    Now i have to go and find guns at the last place i really wanted to. Chain sport stores.

    My question is, do these sport stores i.e. Academy, Gander Mountain, make you register your firearm when you purchase it? i know about the background paper and sh*t i have to do for their records. Furthermore, if things were to go south how concerned should i be that that sheet i filled out would be handed over without a second thought if the government asked for it?

    i know texas would give the fed the finger if they demanded gun registration and confiscation, but gander and academy isnt texas, so im worred how limp wristed these places would be. Id go in and ask them myself, but the 21 yo college doofus that works the counter told me an ar-15 isnt lethal or accurate out to 500 yrds. so yea, pointless waste of time there.

    As always, thanks for your wise counsel oh great FTF.
     
  2. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    Would a licensed gun dealer share their sales records with duly appointed LEO's? I am confident the answer to that is yes if said dealer wishes to stay in business and out of jail.

    There is currently no federal registry of guns and I am pretty sure TX has yet to go down that road.

    Find a local FFL that charges $25 or less for transfers and enjoy life in the Republic of Tejas.:cool:
     

  3. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    I wouldn't bat an eye about bypassing the big chains at all. Go with Gator's advice. I think Gallery of Guns has an FFL search tool.
     
  4. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Sounds like there is a market for lgs in your area. Have you thought about becoming a business man?
     
  5. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Now that's an even better idea.
     
  6. Soliferrum

    Soliferrum New Member

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    10-4. i cant believe i actually have to wait for a weapon...in Texas. Dont be fooled north people, its not as bad ass as the TV says it is.
     
  7. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    ???? They make you "register" your gun? They are FFL dealers and are required to process the transfer paperwork like any LGS. I think Academy has a new electronic 4473, but it is no different than putting pen to paper. How do youy have to "wait" for a weapon? You go in, pick it out, fill out the form, they call in the NICS information and you pay. How is that "wait" any longer that Ohio?
     
  8. wjnfirearms

    wjnfirearms New Member

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    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying is happening down there in the Lone Star. I'm also not sure if a retailer making you register is even legal, much less appropriate. I have a friend outside of Fort Worth, a retired cop and gun enthusiast, and he has never mentioned anything like you are telling us. Maybe I'm not clear on what the problem is. I can be a bit dense on occassion, especially like now when I've just awoke after working graveyard and only having one cup of coffee so far.

    If you are that disgruntled, do the internet thing or get with any of us here that are dealers and we will help for sure.

    And, you are correct. the E-Form 4473 is just another medium of "paperwork", no more.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i am in Texas myself and i am having a hard time understanding this wait thing also. i buy quite often and the longest i have ever waited was about 15 minutes for the background check. i fiil out the 4473 form, just like you have to anywhere, regardless of what state you are in, they call and verify the background check, i pay for my firearms, then i leave with them. there isn't any registration that i know of, nor have i ever registered any of my firearms. my LGS has not a problem with ordering me something he doesn't stock or is something out of the ordinary. i guess i'm not understanding your problem, but i definately stay away from the chain stores. everytime i go in one, i feel i have been robbed when i leave!
     
  10. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Soliferrum- with the exception of Class III firearms (such as machineguns) there is no mechanism to "register" a gun with the Federal Govt. How would a chain store require that you register a gun? With who? There is simply no agency to do that WITH.

    ANY dealer is required to maintain at his premises a record of the sale of firearms. This is done thru a Form 4473, which the dealer maintains on his premises for 20 years. There IS a provision that permits law enforcement, through the BATFE, to trace a firearm for purposes of a criminal investigation. I have a good sized LGS where I hang out- they get about 2 such requests a year. Example- a 17 year old tries to rob a store, gets shot. Has a Colt pistol. ATF goes to Colt, says "Where did it go?" Colt says "Shipped to Joe's Guns, Mineral Wells TX, Oct 1998. ATF goes to Joe's, asks "Where did it go?" Joe reports sold to C3Shooter, Dec 1998. ATF contatcs C3, who sold it to his neighbor, Soliferrum, July 2006. ATF asks Soliferrum- where did it go? Soliferrum refers them to police report of burglary on his home, 3 months ago, when some scumbag stole his Colt.
     
  11. SSGSF

    SSGSF New Member

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    Hey if you don't like it down here in then move back to Ohio. You don't have to wait when you buy a gun here. Unless you are talking about the background check they do while you wait it take about 20min then the gun is your!
     
  12. Dennis845

    Dennis845 New Member

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    I was wondering how that worked? Thanks!
     
  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    when ffl closes shop doesnt that ffl transfer their bound book over to the batfe at that point?? im pretty sure thats what happens.
     
  14. orangello

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    Wait, you aren't talking about registering your purchase with the manufacturer for the warranty, are you? Somebody had that confused with what most consider "registration" aka giving uncle sam a list of your firearms.
     
  15. c3shooter

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    Jon- correct. If a dealer goes out of business, their books are warehoused by ATF. Literally. ATF is prohibited from spending money to computerize those records, so they have boxes of them they have to hand search on a criminal trace.
     
  16. Soliferrum

    Soliferrum New Member

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    look. in my 10 years of doing firearm dealing this is the first time ive ever had to resort to retail stores for anything other than ammo because of the shear lack of local firearms stores, enthuiests, and gun shows in my area of Texas. im not saying they do make you register, not saying i want them to do something illegal with my paperwork. Im just asking to see if theyre businesses compare to the local shops i used to have. the loyal to the 2nd amendment mom and pop dealers. Its nothing illegal, but i dont know how these companies work. **C3 just answered this part for me**

    the "wait" is about the kind of firearm, not the background check. where im at if you dont like an XD-40 you can get the f*ck out apparently. the selection is crap and now i have to wait and pay more, to get a piece transferred, thats what the wait means. thats why the post right above the one saying i have to wait, is about getting a gun transferred.

    i understand the form, ive done it plently, and i too have stood there with my thumb up my ass waiting to be cleared, but again, in 10 years i have NEVER gone to a chain for a weapon, so i might as well be a damn canadian when it comes to this...no offense.

    sorry for the confusion, hope this clears it up good enough. im incredibly thread dyslexic so its all clear in my head but it hits the keyboard and goes kaput. still unbelievably disappointed in texas.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2012
  17. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I do not know where in Texas you are, but Texas has plenty of independent dealers. You may have to network a bit to find that out of the way store near you. I venture to say Texas probably has more "non-storefront" dealers than many areas.
     
  18. c3shooter

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    If you go over to the home pages for gunbroker and for auction arms, you can find their "find a ffl" function. Put in your zip code, and it will pull up ffls in your area that have registered with those sites.

    Some are not storefronts- they are home based FFLs mainly doing internet transfers, but some will be LGS's- and some of the home based FFLs may have what you need.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    very true, Robo. i travel about 35 miles to the LGS i use, because the only three places in the town i live in that even sell firearms is Wal-Mart and two pawn shops. the LGS i use will do an FFL transfer if needed and will order any gun they don't have in stock and most if their suppliers have it, i can usually have it in 2-3 days. i live in the East Texas area, and there are plenty of LGS within 50 miles from my house. use Davidson's GunGenie and use the dealers locator and you should find plenty of dealers who either have or will locate the firearm you are looking for.
     
  20. Soliferrum

    Soliferrum New Member

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    i know fellas and i have tried. look, within about 3 1/2 to 4 hours of me there are 5 gunshops. 4 of them i have tried, and i, i just cant hurt myself again to check the other 1. 1 is located in a closet. it smelled like moth balls and i couldnt tell if the guns behind the glass were belt buckles or novelty paper weights. 2-oh my god, just so many sks's and mosins, dear lord do you have like a glock or hell, a smith and wesson? no? just-what? the hell is a K31? no i dont want 8 of them! good god im leaving. and 3 and 4- guys who made a gun store so they could have a hangout spot with all their guns. everything on display is not for sale- order only.

    as for an area, east of dallas, north of houston. ill give you that.

    ive also tried the gun genie too. it dosent want to find the gun i want. actually both of them.