Few questions...

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by NymphoGnome, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    I have a couple of questions, I have a friend I hardly trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I would like to see what is true and what is made up.

    1. .38 specials are very inaccurate firearms.

    2. If you shot an intruder or somebody trying to harm you in the head with a .22, that person could still take 15 steps. ( doubt this is true, because when the .22 round enters the skull it doesn't exit, so it bounces off the back of the skull and does major damage to the brain.)

    3. .40's are better than .9 mm because the round travels faster making it more accurate in a self defense situation.
     
  2. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    You need to re-think this...
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Find another friend.
     
  4. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Maybe he knows more about sports? :rolleyes:
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    1. most pistol even shoddy makes tend to shoot better than their owners are capable of. most accuracy problems are more often caused by the monkey on the end of the stick.

    2. there are rare cases of people being shot in the head with much larger rounds than a 22lr and surviving. the overwhelming occurances of head shots that enter the skull tends to be nearly instant incapacitation. bullets in general have a disturbing tendancy to glance off bone given the proper angle. that is why shooting center mass is so important in a self defense situation.

    3. the 40sw is actually a little slower than 9mm in typical loadings. speed has little to do with accuracy. see answer to #1. bullet speed has everything to do with trajectory along with its cross section density. the practical effective range of most handguns is around 50yds. hits can be attained at much longer ranges. most self defense situations are seldom over 7 yards

    i favour bullet weight and diameter over speed. in my book the .45ACP is far superior to either the 40sw or 9mm. if the .50GI was more common and readily available i would choose that over the 45acp. permanent wound channel is most important to me in self defense choice. .45 leaves a larger hole than .40 which leaves a larger hole than .357(9mm). choice is simple to me. the bigger the hole on failed to expand hollow point the faster the attacker leaks and stops hostile action. the bigger diameter allows bigger expansion of self defense ammo. in my opinion a person should choose the largest caliber defense gun they are capable of hitting quickly and accurately with. some folks can only handle a 380 or 32 others carry .357mag revolvers.
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Congrats on seeking the correct info. I don't know where your friend got the inaccurate information from, but his sources suck.
     
  7. superc

    superc Member

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    He is wrong on all 3.

    The .38 Special was (and is still) very much considered an accurate target round. The whole sport of PPC revolver shooting started with those things. There were even .38 Special target autos developed.

    Head shot or not, no caliber assures instant incapacitation. A head shot is generally incapacitating, but you can't always count on it. There is a skull in the Harvard Medical Museum of a construction worker who survived a wrecking bar being blown through his skull and who went back to work soon after. Besides, bullets sometimes bounce off skulls, even ones bigger than a .22.

    9mms are faster than .40s. Not that the difference is enough to matter for anything.
     
  8. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Your buddy needs to check his references
     
  9. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    Well..A 38 can be a pretty accurate round. It will depend on the weapon, the shooter, and the rounds ballistics just how accurate.

    Shooting an intruder with a 22 or anything else for that matter I guess could take the 15 steps. But that would have way too many variables to say. I have never heard of that before. I was in a bar in Cincinnati Ohio and seen a guy shot with a 25 ACP at around20 feet. It glanced off the guys head and into the ceiling. He took 15 more steps, a lot more I guess. There was a guy shot with a 22 in my neighborhood years ago (same city) that dropped where he stood. Others shot with other rounds that either lived or died. I have no idea how many steps they took. The news people never said. That reminds me. Man I'm glad I moved to Ky!

    A .40 round does move a little faster than a 9mm. But that is not going to mean it's more accurate. That logic is flawed. With what the average self defense range being what it is (around 21 feet) I don't see where it can be more accurate because of bullet speed. Either can drop a target. It will have more to do with shot placement. A 22 can kill at average SD distances.

    I think your friend need educated about this subject a little more. It sounds to me like they are thinking like the ninja and using some Hollywood examples to back up their logic.

    Shot placement and the slugs ability to change and effect the wound channel will have a lot more to do with how a target reacts. You can use a 50 AE but if you cannot put the round where you want to that big bullet can be useless. It looks cool in movies though.
     
  10. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    These are quotes from my friend, needless to say I don't talk to him much anymore. :p
     
  11. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    haha, no, with golf he's the kind of person that instead of using the cheapest clubs to get better then upgrading, goes out and buys the most expensive and sucks.
    Football he pulls for Clemson. :rolleyes:

    and well with music he's the same as golf, he's just terrible guess that's why he plays Taylor guitars... even though he started out on a crappy cheap guitar but he never got lessons before he bought 5 more expensive ones.
     
  12. Mark F

    Mark F New Member Supporter

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    Some people just don't get it. Your "friend" is a hard core HEAR-SAY... and nothing he says is useful in real-life. Or in a court of law for that matter.
     
  13. justdon

    justdon New Member

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    So i guess we can safely say your friend knows nothing about guns or ammo.
     
  14. Dizzll

    Dizzll New Member

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    Tell your buddy I have some awesome property to sell him...
     
  15. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Don't feel bad, I had a friend who took the CCWP class with me and if he had missed one more question in the open book test he would of failed, then he almost failed the shooting part, if he had missed one more shot on target at 21 feet he would of failed. After he finally passed he still could not get his CCWP because he owed $30,000 back child support. So he calls me one day and asks me, "sense he passed the class does it give him the right to shoot Ni_ _ers, who are sitting on their front porch minding their own business?"

    Not only that but he bought a new Remington 30-06 bolt rifle with a cheep Itasca scope on it, and shot it a few times at the range after I had to sight it in for him sense he new nothing about sighting in a scoped rifle. Then he calls me a few days later and asks me, "if his new rifle made him a sniper?"

    I don't talk to him any more nor do I see him any more.
     
  16. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    He sounds like the guy in the movie who you know is going to be the first one to get killed.
     
  17. Dizzll

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    1. .38's are as accurate as the shooter. Me personally wouldn't carry below 9mm...

    2. Shots ricocheting and "bouncing" off of bone are very unpredictable with any caliber...

    3. 9mm is faster in fps. .40 is marginally bigger hole in +p hollowpoint.
     
  18. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    .40's do not have +p ammunition nless you make your own, FYI. ;)
     
  19. hemiram

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    I didn't see it, but I heard a guy (There was a crowd of people watching him beg her not to shoot) get shot by his wife with a .25 auto from about 20 feet away, and he went down instantly, and said something like, "Am I dying?", and he did die. One shot. Died before the ambulance got there. He was cheating on her constantly, and had beaten her earlier that day. She originally got 15 years, but the court threw out the sentence, and she was resentenced to 9 years and got out on parole soon after. She's now an activist, and was pardoned years ago, working to get battered women out of the same situation she was in 35 years ago. She got some press a long time ago when she was trying to help a woman move out and her insane husband came home and started firing a .357 at them, and she shot him in the gut with his own 9mm that he had left home. He lived, but the one shot put him down. That incident is why she wanted a pardon, so she could carry as some of these abusive guys are so far gone they will kill anyone who interferes with his "family business".

    I was shot in the face by a friend with a Crossman 760 BB gun. It felt like I was slapped very hard on top of my mouth, right under my nose. I didn't go down, I just grabbed my face and there was an amazing amount of bleeding from a tiny hole. It hurt pretty bad. 42 years later, it's still there, and if I take a magnet, I can feel it pull on it. My dentist totally freaked out the first time he saw it, on an X-ray. I had kind of forgotten about it by then.

    A friend of mine was ambushed in a parking lot and was shot in the left shoulder by a lunatic who had boasted in front of the police that he would kill him earlier that day. The .38 bullet went under his skin and hit the side of his spine, and then shattered with most of it coming out the back of his neck. He went down, he said it felt like someone hit him with a hammer. He had been shot in the leg in Vietnam, and said it was worse in some ways, as he didn't go down when shot the first time. He drove himself to the base hospital without any problem, but when he was shot the second time, he was stunned and was down for about 20 seconds and probably was saved by people yelling for the police, delaying the loon from getting another shot off. When he realized what had happened, he got up and came into the building, and backed up against the wall, in case the idiot came in after him. He was back at work in a couple weeks, but still has some of the bullet fragments in his back and shoulder. When one "pops up", he has it removed. The guy who shot him was nearly killed by the police when he, at first, refused to put the gun down, and eventually got 12 years. In a sort of ironic twist, he got out after supposedly being "saved" after 10 years, became a scam artist preacher who convinced people, mostly women to sleep with him and buy him all kinds of expensive stuff. He eventually ripped off a woman who lost her home after giving him access to her accounts, thinking he would marry her. Her father, who was dying of lung cancer ambushed him in his garage, and shot him 3 times with his WWII vintage 1911. The cops arrested him, but he got out on bail, and died while awaiting trial. The police/DA knew he would never stand trial and only asked for $100 bail.
     
  20. DrumJunkie

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    Did he umm..get some...Non women to sleep with him and take their stuff?:eek: