Federal judge won't temporarily halt rifle sale rules

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Federal judge won't temporarily halt rifle sale rules

    Federal judge won't temporarily halt rifle sale rules

    "had not sufficiently shown they would suffer irreparable harm without a preliminary injunction. She scheduled an October hearing on a permanent injunction."
     
  2. opaww

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    With the amount of liberal anti-gun judges I would expect this.
     

  3. Rarity

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    Absolutely, opaww. Good post, Bigcountry02. This gives me nightmares.
     
  4. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    There is little we can do other than vote this administration out and hope the next will replace some of them anti-gun judges. It is a nightmare but don't let it bother you.
     
  5. Chainfire

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    I don't see the big deal here. You can still buy all of the semi-auto rifles you want. I can understand why the feds would like to know if someone is buying 20 AKs a week from 6 different dealers. And if you buy 20 AKs a week as a collector so be it, you get looked at.

    It is not as if the feds don't know or can't figure out who of us is gun owners anyway. If you believe the forms you fill out to buy a rifle or handgun don't go into a database somewhere, I feel sorry for ya. If you are posting on these forums you are probably a gun owner, an owner wanna be or an agent. Guys, we are already on their lists. I have an FFL 03, I know I am on the lists.

    Law enforcement is trying to stem the flood of guns to the drug gangs. Since I am not in a drug gang I am all for it, and I would prefer that the gangs have a little harder time arming themselves.

    The NRA will certainly get their drawers in a wad over the issue, and we will all be getting a plea for more money in the mail. It is just the way it is. Send money, Obama is after our guns again. Hogwash.
     
  6. davemccarthy707

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    Wow, a back door gun registry. We are in the process of eliminating it here in Canada. Good luck guys.
     
  7. alsaqr

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  8. opaww

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    It is no ones business not even the governments as to how many and what kinds of guns I buy. If you think it is then you need to show me in black and white the Constitutional law saying so.

    The gun dealers already reported multiple gun sales to the AFT and the AFT told them to let the gunrunners buy them and then the AFT let them walk accross the boarder.
     
  9. armoredman

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    The irreperable harm the judge fails to see is to the rule of law, specifically that fact that ATFE does not apparently have the authority under law to demand this information. However harmless the actual act may seem to be, the door that is being forced open can lead to unspeakable acts under color of law, as seen in history. If ATFE and other federal agencies are NOT held to the strict standard of operating within the law they purport to enforce, then the law has no meaning and chaos can ensue.
     
  10. aandabooks

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    I've always figured that that is the way the system works. Dealer call in the form and that information is going to be recorded somewhere. Isn't everything automated on the receiving end? I've never heard my dealer having anything like a conversation when they call in a gun purchase. Just the information in the boxes. Probably being digitally saved and then typed into a database.
     
  11. ttolhurst

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    NICS doesn't receive any information at all on the firearm you're purchasing except the general type (handgun, rifle, shotgun). Not much of a gun registry if it doesn't include make, model and serial number, is it?
     
  12. MrGrumpy89

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    For one, they do not say if someone buys 20 AKs. They stated multiple rifle sales. Which is two or more. Whether it is a couple .22s or rifles for hunting. And do you really belive they are doing this to keep guns from going to Mexico's drug cartels? They government is giving the guns to the Mexican cartels. Have you herd of Operation Fast and Furious? The government agencies knew of these guns but did nothing. It's not about Mexico its about taking down our rights bit by bit. if the second admendment was to NOT BE INFRINGED then there is no need to report multiple guns sales. What if for christmas or your son's birthday you wanted to buy him a new .22 or maybe another type of rifle, then you got a good bonus at work and wanted to buy a new hunting rifle or and AR 15, do you really think it should have to be reported the a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY? They are just trying to destroy and American way of life by infringing on our rights.
     
  13. Chainfire

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    What I am saying is that your commercial firearm purchases are on the record anyway. Gun dealers save the information on your purchase for 20 years.....The BATF can audit that information any time they want to.

    No, I wouldn't have a problem if the Feds wanted to see if I were a drug dealer or terrorist. If I did I would have never bought a gun from an FFL, joined the NRA, Gone to a gun show, got a FFL-03, or ever bought a round of ammo, or a firearm on-line or ever logged onto any forum that talked about guns.

    Do you not also expect that the government also keeps list of folks who participate on gun forums? Everything you ever do, any credit card you ever use, every thing you have ever said online, every cell phone call you have ever made is available to investigators, get over it.

    If you lived near the border with the drug cartels, would you not want law enforcement to know if someone was buying 20 AKs from each of 6 dealers every week, in your back yard? Or, would you prefer a Mexico style shoot-out taking place next to where your kids go to school?

    The government had their heads up their butts with fast an furious, no doubt. However,I would prefer to not have to face the drug gangs on my own, thats why we have a government. I want them to do their job.

    I just don't see an evil government lurking behind every bush. If I did, I would go somewhere else.
     
  14. culdee

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    Absolutely right. Doesn't anyone want to jump in and make stupid remarks about tin foil hats?
     
  15. mes227

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    Can you show me where in the Constitution that it prevents the government from requiring this info? There's clear protection (subject to the courts' interpretation) for a range of articulated rights, but the right to absolutely secrecy is not one of those. It is arguably an extension of the right to privacy, except that the Constitution has no expressed right to privacy -- it's a myth and a misreading of it to state otherwise.