Federal Homeowners Tax?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Jo da Plumbr, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

    Has anyone heard anything about this?


    Hows the change thing working out for ya? Heres some more BS coming at you
    from 'THE MAN OF CHANGE ".



    A License Required for your HOUSE?

    If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this email is the Google link to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this. No one will be buying homes in the future.

    We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and are being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington ! This Congress and their "experts" are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.A.

    A License will be required for your house...no longer just for cars and mobile homes....Thinking about selling your house? Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Home owners take note and tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

    Beginning one year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this "Cap & Trade" bill, passed by the House of Representatives. If it is also passed by the Senate, it will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

    The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure that these voters will get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else..

    But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house without some bureaucrat's OK. Yes, you read that right.

    The caveat (there always is a caveat) is that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

    To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be required to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act, to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.

    Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.

    And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress. Then the Administrator can set new standards every year.

    The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 - Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America .

    Beginning one year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with its energy and water efficiency standards. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (expen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!

    The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (that includes YOU?) and prevent you from qualifying for the grants.

    Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

    This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help the EPA. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...

    Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.

    But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California ? It would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate.

    Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that one year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

    CHECK OUT a few of the sites;

    Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home http://www.nachi. org/forum/ f14/cap-and- trade-license- required- your-home- 44750/

    HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: http://www.govtrack .us/congress/ bill.xpd? bill=h111- 2454

    Cap & Trade A license required for your home: Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home

    Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:
    http://www.sfexamin er.com/opinion/ columns/oped_ contributors/ Cap-and-trade- is-a-license- to-cheat- and-steal- 45371937. html
    Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home (Thinking about selling your house? HA!)

    Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:

    The Federal Observer

    Google search?hl= en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859- 1&q=A+License+ required+ for+your+ home-+Cap+ and+Trade&btnG=Google+ Search
  2. opaww

    opaww New Member

    You should of posted this in the politican section...this is for gun politics...but they can kiss my *** and STFU and go away

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    Rope, tree, politician. Some assembly required.
  4. Car54

    Car54 New Member

    I checked on Snopes.com and came up with the following;

    Organizations that took a position on
    American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009: On Passage - House - H.R. 2454 American Clean Energy and Security Act

    60 organizations support this bill

    AES Corporation
    alliance for climate protection
    American Rivers
    Applied Materials
    Aspen Snowmass
    austin energy
    Avista Corporation
    Boston Scientific Corporation
    Chrysler LLC
    Clean Water Action
    Clif Bar and Company
    climate solutions
    Communications Workers of America
    Deere & Company
    Dow Chemical Company
    Duke Energy Corporation
    eBay, Inc.
    Environment America
    Environmental Defense Fund
    Exelon Corporation
    Ford Motor Company
    FPL Group
    General Electric
    General Motors
    Hewlett Packard
    Johnson & Johnson
    Kleiner Perkins et al
    Laborers' International Union of North America
    League of Conservation Voters
    Levi Strauss & Co.
    National Audubon Society
    National Grid
    Natural Resources Defense Council
    Nature Conservancy
    NRG Energy
    One Sky
    Oxfam America
    Pacific Gas and Electric
    Pew Environment Group
    PNM Resources
    Public Service Enterprise Group
    Rio Tinto
    Service Employees International Union
    Seventh Generation
    Siemens Corporation
    Sierra Club
    starbucks corporation
    Symantec Corporation
    The American Civil Rights Union
    Union of Concerned Scientists
    United Steelworkers
    Utility Workers Union of America
    World Resources Institute
    20 organizations oppose this bill

    Alliance for Worker Freedom
    American Conservative Union
    American Farm Bureau
    American Petroleum Institute
    American Shareholders Association
    Americans for Tax Reform
    BP America
    Caterpillar Inc
    College Republican National Committee
    Ethan Allen Institute
    Friends of the Earth
    international rivers
    Murray Energy Corporation
    National Mining Association
    National Pork Producers Council
    National Taxpayers Union
    Public Citizen
    Rainforest Action Network
  5. Car54

    Car54 New Member

    Another interseting thing, look how much money supporters gave to the house members who voted for the bill: Maybe we should boycot the companies who support this bill.

    Average contributions given to House members from interest groups that…

    Republican/Conservative (split)Average given to House members by those who were opposed to the the bill:

    $3,3214.2 times as much

    Republican/Conservative (split)Average given to House members who were supported by the groups in favor of the bill:

    31% more
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2010
  6. Yunus

    Yunus Active Member

    I read the text of the bill in the sections mentioned, 202 and 204 and the summary of those sections. I didn't see anything like what the article said. Plus I went to snopes.com and found this
    snopes.com: Cap and Trade Energy Bill

    If you think snopes is wrong, and that the article in the orginial post is correct, please post something out of the bill that you think means you can't sell your home without approval. All those sections talked about was having a program like Energy Star but for homes instead of appliances. It also provided funding to people that spent money to improve their homes efficiency.

    I'm not saying I support the bill but those articles are full of S***.
  7. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

    The information is from HR 2454, there was nothing indicated on home re-sale; however, the wording of retrofit comes into play. Do not know what the Secretary of Energy and his administration will put into play regarding this regulation; however, it is not passed the Senate. I have an itch that the Obama administration will use the EPA to pass this without using the legislative process. :mad:

    Go to page 350, SEC. 202 (b) Establishment - The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family residences.

    Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) program is where the residential and non-residential policies will be under.

    Page 355 SEC. 202 (f) Elements of REEP Program, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c)

    Page 356 SEC. 202 (f) (7) A requirement that building retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance, unless inappropriate due to green roof management, solar production or other reasons identified by the Administrator, .....