Fanny packs

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Jhamblen, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. Jhamblen

    Jhamblen New Member

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    I live in the communist state of Illinois. As everyone knows we are the last state to not recognize any form of ccw. I had received an email pertaining to this issue. In that email it states that fanny packs designed for ccw holders is considered the only legal way to conceal carry. Obviously the wonderful cook county is fighting this statement tooth and nail. Has anyone else heard or come across this info as well? If so, where did you find the information to this loophole?

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  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I think no concealed carry means no concealed carry in Illinois. Most states that allow concealed carry also require a permit. I'm SURE in Illinois, when we finally get concealed carry, a permit will be required. I don't see how carrying concealed in a fanny pack with no permit here in Illinois is legal at all. Just my two cents. :cool: I do know some who conceal carry anyway in Illinois. I would not do it because I don't want to get busted and lose all my guns for breaking a gun law. That's just me. I'll follow the rules even if I don't like the rules. :(
     

  3. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    It is true. As long as the mag is not in the gun and both r zipped in the fanny pack. Would I try it? Nope. Cuz I know Illinois police. They won't care and arrest u anyway. U can also drive with a loaded mag and pistol in your center consol as long as the mag is not in the gun. It's considered in a case and not easily accessible. Don't know how but it is true.
     
  4. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    No way........

    Show me a link that proves these methods of carrying are acceptable in Illinois.
     
  5. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Illinois

    Total prohibition Total freedom

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    Traveler's checklist:
    *Standard firearms ownership: restricted, firearm identification card required
    *Semi-auto gun ownership: restricted, firearm identification card required
    *Machine Gun Ownership: personal machine gun ownership prohibited
    *Firearm law uniformity: no preemption law, localities may pass their own gun laws
    *Right of Self-Defense: no NRA-model castle doctrine
    *Open carry: prohibited in all public areas
    *Concealed carry: no provision for concealed carry licensing
    *Vehicle carry by non-FOID card holders: any firearm or ammunition possessed
    by a non-resident with a valid carry permit must be transported unloaded and
    cased; if the non-resident lacks a permit, he must also stow the firearms in the
    trunk or storage compartment of vehicle
    *State Parks: display or use of firearms prohibited; no allowance for concealed carry
    *Restaurants serving alcohol: firearms carry prohibited for most citizens
    * Duty to notify LEO of permit status: upon demand of police officer

    Illinois' Midwestern location does not prevent its treatment of firearms from
    resembling that of New York City. Gun owners face a wide assortment of laws that
    are piled layer upon layer in the land of Lincoln. The effect of various state laws is
    amplified by the fact that Illinois has no preemption law. Travelers to Chicago and
    other major urban areas could face even stricter laws than the ones described below.
    One bright spot in this otherwise confusing morass of local regulation is the state law
    that provides anyone using a firearm for self-defense with an affirmative defense to
    these local laws.
    Illinois residents with FOID cards: Residents of Illinois are required to
    have a firearms identification card before they may purchase or possess any rifle, shotgun,
    handgun or ammunition. This card is issued by the Department of State Police and
    is valid for ten years. The card allows a holder to transport a firearm in the passenger
    compartment of his vehicle if the weapon is unloaded and enclosed in a case (it need not
    be in the trunk). Recently, the Illinois Supreme Court held that vehicle's center console
    was a "case" for purposes of firearm transportation. This means that an unloaded handgun
    along with a loaded magazine could be carried in car's center console box by a cardholder as
    long as the magazine is not inserted in the gun. The only qualification for this carry mode
    would be the lack of any state preemption of local laws. Some communities may have
    stricter vehicular carry ordinances. Also, the state's wildlife code requires that firearms in
    a vehicle be enclosed in commercial gun cases to be legal.
    Non-residents: A non-resident with a valid carry permit may possess firearms or
    ammunition in a vehicle if the weapons are unloaded and cased. If the non-resident does not
    have a valid carry permit, he must also stow the firearms in an inaccessible area such as the
    trunk or break them down to a non-functioning state. Non-residents may possess loaded
    firearms if the weapons are employed on publicly recognized target ranges, at bonafide gun
    shows or in a hunting format where the individual possesses a non-resident hunting license.
    Absent these narrow exceptions, Illinois prohibits the open or concealed carry of firearms
    in all public areas.
    All Persons: Machine gun ownership is prohibited in Illinois unless one is a Class III
    dealer. Many communities have also banned the possession of over 10-shot magazines and
    military pattern "assault weapons."
     
  6. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    be in the trunk). Recently, the Illinois Supreme Court held that vehicle's center console
    was a "case" for purposes of firearm transportation. This means that an unloaded handgun
    along with a loaded magazine could be carried in car's center console box by a cardholder as
    long as the magazine is not inserted in the gun. The only qualification for this carry mode
    would be the lack of any state preemption of local laws. Some communities may have
    stricter vehicular carry ordinances. Also, the state's wildlife code requires that firearms in
    a vehicle be enclosed in commercial gun cases to be legal.
     
  7. envyminnesota

    envyminnesota New Member

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    I am not familiar with the Illinois CC laws but I live in good 'ol Idaho. Legal aspects here are similar to above. One thing I did, when I go shooting. I have my handgun on the front seat (I'm not 21 for a few months and can't get my cccw until then) unhidden and the ammo in an ammobox in the back of the truck. They are not "easily accessible" as stated above. The issue. As long as the clips out and the guns not loaded, in sight its not an issue. Until Illinois catches up... Id do something similar to play it safe.
     
  8. canebrake

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    I'm confounded that the libretards-in-charge of the gulag known as Ill-noise (my sympathies to those innocence hostages trapped within) have not realized the potential for revenues generated from licensing fees for concealed carry permits.

    They really don't grasp the pent-up demand of the residents of the gulag to join the rest of us in exercising our 2nd Amendment rights.
     
  9. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Living across the river and traveling into IL makes it pretty inconvenient. I'm aware of the fanny pack idea. I think I heard someone call it 2 second concealed carry. Keep the unloaded pistol and magazine in a fanny pack designed for concealed carry. Since the pack is purpose designed for handguns, it could be defined as a case. This would meet the letter of transporting a firearm rather than concealed carry.

    I'm not willing to try it, but it you are so inclined, get a good lawyer and give it a whirl. I'm curious to find out what the courts will do with it.

    That last bit is not a recommendation.
     
  10. KingWalleye

    KingWalleye New Member

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    Fanny pack carry hasn't been challenged in the courts and I sure as hell don't want to be the test subject.

    Don't do it.
     
  11. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    Exactomongo!
     
  12. Jhamblen

    Jhamblen New Member

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    I fully understand that it would be a giant risk. Every cop I have known believes we should have concealed carry. It protects the people, brings on more money for the state, and makes their job much easier. I know a fair amount of people who do carry all laws aside. The only thing keeping the jack••• up north in the right money. Anyone who has money to contest their BS laws are either being paid off or don't care enough. How many politicians carry without regard to the law they made. I really wish it was legal to imprison people for stupidity pertaining to a persons god given right to protect themselves!

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  13. Greg_E

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    I would never ever carry concealed in a state that prohibits it. If you have been watching the news lately, there have been several instances of law abiding citizens traveling to other states without checking the CCW laws and ending up in the pokey! Check the laws before you travel or you are asking to be locked up. Also, the biggest problem these days is that a fanny pack just screams out loud, I HAVE A GUN!
     
  14. NvRbanArms

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    Almost every banger in Chi town has a gun and Chicago PD knows it. They will confiscate them and give them a lame gun charge then they get another one. It seems so easy for them to carry. Trust me because I grew up with some. Never was a banger myself but know a lot of them. And I know for sure all the BGs (baby gangsters) are packing. They are the ones to fear because they will do anything for the old gangsters respect. And they do get the good ammo too, like us (federalHST) and so on. Oh and they like AK's a lot. Just check out Gang Bang City on YouTube. It's ran by a 2/6 that I have met before. You'll see how deep they are everywhere out here. Do it. Check it out. Then you'll know. And you will say. Where r the cops while this is going on. And you will ask yourself do I want to accidentally get caught going through that neighborhood without my weapon on me. Hell no!
     
  15. Dennis845

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    As a former 38 year F.O.I.D. card holder living in "The Peoples Republic of Illinois", I can assure you the advice given above it correct and true.

    You might want to research what I HEARD from a guy I worked with that CCW'ed in the Peoples Republic. He carried a ccw claiming a loop hole. He was a notary public and as such was an officer of the court. As such, he claimed he was legally allowed to carry a loaded weapon on him.

    But like I said, it's all hear say. If you decide to research that, let me know as I'm still curious and glad to have departed there forever.
     
  16. Jhamblen

    Jhamblen New Member

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    So basically if I were to carry an unloaded pistol in a fanny pack designed for ccw. With a loaded mag, I would be legal. As long as the pack is designed for concealed carry.

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  17. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is truly sad how honest citizens have to consider skirting unjust laws to protect themselves. :(
     
  18. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    It is an untested theory. Try it at your own risk.
     
  19. Jhamblen

    Jhamblen New Member

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    I wonder if I contacted the Illinois state police if they would tell me the truth about the loophole.

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