Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by G66enigma, May 26, 2020.

  1. Mercator

    Mercator Well-Known Member

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    You ain’t gonna tear down nutn. Be happy there are people with a positive attitude who get out and do something for the GOP to keep your grumpy old *** content for another 4 years.
     
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  2. JimRau

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    You are correct 'I' am not going to tear down nutn!:D But the liberal secular progressives, AKA DEMONcrates are!:mad:
     
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  3. Ghost1958

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    When push comes to shove in a big way local police are next to useless. Simply because they are outnumbered 100 to 1 and policing is a JOB . They can quit on the spot and are in record numbers. They are not soldiers and job one is get home in one piece.

    The feds le isnt much better.
    The only places not being torn to shreds are places where the real power in this nation as intended by the founders , the armed citizens are coming out in numbers no police dept can match , heavily armed and guarding their respective towns.

    But a lesson for patriots concerned with gov overreach possibly should be taken now. The masses using force in Portland etc are getting change.
    They arent depending on critters voted in who will change nothing
     
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  4. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    100 to 1. :rolleyes: Try 1000+ to 1.
     
  5. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    True. 1000 to 1 or 2000 to 1.

    Point being without armed civilian help local or even fed le dont have the muscle to stop groups of people that large when they are determined not to stopped.
     
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  6. Mercator

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    They don’t need armed civilian help if they are allowed to use their weapons. And if they are not, the armed civilians enforcing law is a chat room fantasy.
     
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  7. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The government / police etc, have the the forces needed to stop the riots if they choose to use it. They do not need civilians wannabes playing police / soldiers.
     
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  8. bluez

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    Again those childish memes the left planted into popular culture to create conditioned helplessness among the people.
     
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  9. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have lived it, so called militia, paramilitaries, and a lot of wannabes playing police / soldiers. They started out as supposedly defending their communities etc, because the police could not. So not childish memes, but life experience.
     
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  10. Mercator

    Mercator Well-Known Member

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    LE is hog tied by local governments. They are afraid another criminal or idiot ends up getting shot. In fact they imposed on the cops a duty to retreat. And if someone does get hurt, they much prefer an officer in the hospital, and if he dies, they will orate at the funeral about the selfless hero who cared so for the peaceful community.
     
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  11. microadventure

    microadventure Well-Known Member

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    trivia: the Japanese words for gold & water sound nothing like Goldwater. the name does not transliterate in Japanese.

    the Japanese had two words that, taken together, sound enough like Goldwater that if a Japanese person heard the name Goldwater they would understand what was said.

    the two Japanese words that transliterate closest to Goldwater:

    Virtuous Flower
     
  12. bluez

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    Yes.. except the most effective units in the Ukrainian civil war on both sides are the volunteer militia battalions..
    Even on the Ukrainian Gov't side which technically has the ehavy weapons of a nation state military..
    But yet the best units on the Ukrainian side are Azov, Pravdii Sektor, Shah Mansur, OUN,
    every single one of them paramilitary volunteers or "wannabe rambos playing" as you might call them.
    On the rebel side the the ad hoc militias did quite well against active duty Ukrainian army units...even in the beginning before they got professional russian help.

    in WW2 contrary to the current propaganda meme quite a few of the Volksturm battalions were very effective and inflicted grievous losses on even the best soviet "Guards" units.
    The famous defense of Kuestrin by mostly Volkssturm and the Siemensstadt Volksturm battalion in Berlin are just a couple of examples of the importance of the Will to fight.
    In Iraq the awakening councils.
    In Vietnam the VC...

    So not sure which wars you got your personal experience from but there arent a whole lot of wars you might find were citizens that took up arms were ineffective.

    You may also want to go read some of the studies in the Small Wars Journal to expand your horizons, look for 4GW and Asymmetric warfare as tags
     
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  13. Mercator

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    And let’s not forget the Kai Pui rebellion under the Ming dynasty. Look, you completely misread the Ukrainian conflict. It was engineered and maintained by the Russians from the get go. The Ukrainian army was so worthless, it gave up Crimea without firing a shot. It was not a civil war in any proper sense except on RT. And this here is about law enforcement in a western democracy.

    I hold the rank of field marshal on my own couch but feel shy to educate a Northern Irish loyalist on civil unrest :)
     
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  14. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was talking about citizens taking on the role of the police, you are away off on another tangent. As for citizens being effective, that would depend what you define as effective.
     
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  15. RJF22553

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    Regardless of the vitriol and nasty statements that abound (hopefully not on this forum), DJT lost a beloved brother yesterday. It is hurtful to all who has done the same, and even more hurtful for the evil posts (outside of this forum).

    DJT has suffered a tremendous loss, and Robert's family as well.

    Perhaps once, we citizens might see through the absolute hate of DJT and respect a good man who passed. He gave to several charities that were good for our common man as well as to those critters who need our help. And he was a good and loving brother.

    Rest in Peace, Robert! While your older brother's fame is paramount, you are not forgotten - but rather cherished for your love of horses.

    Anyone who cares, check out Robert Trumps' charities...He was a good and honorable man.

    And pray for Donald - his pain is more than most of us who have lost a sibling, myself included.
     
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  16. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Truth is the casualty of extremism. Extremism on both sides often transcends truth.
     
  17. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Actually in this country where the armed civilian population outnumbers all of thos put together by 100s of thousands , no they do not.
     
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  18. Ghost1958

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    Yeah . Well here they ain't hog tied at all nor skittish about using their weapons.

    And armed civilians and local militias are still being called in to help LE , by LE ,because they realize if these protests go south they have a snowball's chance of doing squat by themselves.

    Might want to check reality of what is actually happening now, today, instead of voicing opinion to folks answering those calls for help and helping outnumbered LE enforce the law.
     
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  19. manta

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    Yes armed with small arms, the Government has a bit more at their disposal. How do you think your militias would get on with a Apache helicopter.