Extended guide rod VS guide cap

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by EMTchad, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. EMTchad

    EMTchad New Member

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    Hello again gentlemen!

    I saw a SA operator today for 1888.99 and a TRP for 1700.00+.
    Both seemed to have an extended guide rod, I took mine off and put on the cap so it is easier to field strip and clean. According to the dealer, he told me I should keep the extended guide rod on because it shoots alot more accurate from less recoil and something else I forgot. I did really well at 15 yards today, shot the paper out with 230 grain FMJ's. I never shot with my extended guide rod, what do u guys think? Guide rod? Or cap?
     
  2. Jpyle

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    Conventional wisdom is that the full length guide rod will: 1. reduce muzzle flip 2. prevent the recoil spring from kinking. Whether any of that amounts to anything, who knows. Others here have decades more 1911 experience than I do, so I will defer to them.

    General rule of thumb, in my opinion anyway, is to leave the gun as it was built..YMMV
     

  3. EMTchad

    EMTchad New Member

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    Good starting advice! Love it!
     
  4. JonM

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    full length guide rods arent need for normal 45acp use in a typical full size 1911. they do not improve accuracy and they do not reduce recoil. for springs under 20# they have no benefits. spring weights above 20 lbs they do help with kinking.

    the issue with guilde rods in 1911s is they tend to decrease reliability by introducing more places for the spring to bind or rub against. the halves of the rod can work loose and catch a coil of the spring jamming the gun.

    never ever never use a two piece guide rod in a self defense 1911.
     
  5. AznZOhAn

    AznZOhAn New Member

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    I agree with Jon, cause I have a SA loaded and a SA MC Operator. My loaded has a guide rod and my operator has a cap, the operator is more accurate and more reliable. The two piece in my loaded comes loose after about 50 rounds if I don't crank it tight.
     
  6. CA357

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    I prefer the regular GI guide rod and recoil spring & cap setup. My Kimber had a full length guide rod and it was a PITA.

    Anyway, you can't have one of these if you have a full length guide rod:

    [​IMG]
     
  7. IGETEVEN

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    That's great! :D

    I changed out all mine to Wilson FLGR's to keep them tight and for faster field strip. Never had a problem with them.

    My range guns are my carry guns.
     
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    When the idea of the recoil spring "kinking" without a full length guide was brought to the attention of John Browning by the military, Mr. Browning supposedly said "I designed it to kink."

    Paraphrased from Jeff Cooper.
     
  9. EMTchad

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    I can't seem to find those awesome caps. Any sites?
     
  10. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    The guy that made them is Blind Hogg Gunsmithing. I don't think he's making them anymore.

    I'll let you have mine for ten thousand dollars. ;)
     
  11. parinoid54

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    All of the semiautos that I have owned have come with FLGR. While I have often read of the belief that a FLGR will prevent the recoil spring from kinking, I have never read of such an occurence. It may be that it is more of a feel-good measure than anything else, but even if not, where is the harm?

    In that it makes it quicker to disassemble your 1911, as I have seen demonstrated on one of the TV gun shows, fine. But...unless you are in a gun fight where you must disassemble your 1911 in a hurry - who cares?

    I think this is a moot issue; that choice of defensive ammo and your ability to make combat accurate shots is THE issue, although only slightly more important than the price of good beer.:rolleyes:
     
  12. EMTchad

    EMTchad New Member

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    Lol! Wise words paranoid!
     
  13. EMTchad

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    CA357 sell me that smiley face cap !!!
     
  14. bartwatkins

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    +1 on this...
    Either GI style or FLGR is simply a personal preference thing. There is no demonstrated proof or evidence that one way is functionally better or worse than the other.

    My SA loaded 1911 came with FLGR and has over 1200 rounds through it and counting. It has never backed out or come loose during shooting but on the other hand I do not believe that it makes my pistol more accurate either. I do think that the pistol's accuracy has a much better chance of improvement by the precision machined (ie measured to very tight fit) barrel bushing that I just had made by EGW.

    When I wear out the recoil spring down the road some, I will likely change out to GI style but only for ease of disassembly. This is pretty moot for me and not a big deal.
     
  15. Hackett

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  16. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Mine's way cooler. :cool:
     
  17. Hackett

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    Their's have the bushing plug set that fits to keep the plug upright, correct?
     
  18. EMTchad

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    Thanks mate, but I was lOoking for a happy face one :(
     
  19. EMTchad

    EMTchad New Member

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    Thanks cane you the best!