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I'm pumped, I finally get a chance to take my CPL class tomorrow. What should I expect?
 

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I'm pumped, I finally get a chance to take my CPL class tomorrow. What should I expect?
What state are you located in?
 

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BS from your CPL instructor

Go learn the REAL LAW, not the BS your instructor will teach you.

... MI firearm laws are screwy, they require some real study to understand them.

Beyond that, don't use your firearm unless you're ready to spend 100k in legal expenses AND your life or your family's life is in danger.

If you see this before your class, ask your instructor the following questions
1. can I carry in a school with my CPL? - yes
2. can I carry in a bar with my CPL - yes
3. How many pistols can I carry? - unlimited
4. What defines a bar? - the majority of sales in alcohol NOT 51%

IANAL, but have tried to learn the real laws, not the crap they teach you

Good luck and carry often!
 

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Pistol Free Areas
Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
 

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Pistol Free Areas
Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed.
KMG,

one can OPEN CARRY in the PFZ with a CPL
Read MI State Police Update #86
 

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Pistol Free Areas
Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked
Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."
I was told that I could not, under any circumstances, have my gun in my car while teaching. I asked the police officer that is head of security for the District.
 

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Here's that one source of MI info. mentioned in other post.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

Read the very bottom line too. It is just for informational purposes -
(for the state police) and they are instructed to contact their local
prosecutor for interpretation of this information.

zombiegirl - or any person should not ask police officers.
police offericers and armed citizens should get their information
from your states attorney general, DA, or PA.
 

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Puff said:
Here's that one source of MI info. mentioned in other post.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

Read the very bottom line too. It is just for informational purposes -
(for the state police) and they are instructed to contact their local
prosecutor for interpretation of this information.

zombiegirl - or any person should not ask police officers.
police offericers and armed citizens should get their information
from your states attorney general, DA, or PA.
Thanks for the link.
 

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Oh yeah - congrats weids - the cpl classes just scratched the surface of
what all is involved in carrying a firearm. Hope it went well.

Did you have an attorney speak to your group?
We had one from the county prosecuting attorneys office.
If there is ever an occasion you have to use your firearm, these
are they people that pull out all the state laws and tell you what's what.
It's also good to know where your county prosecutor & local police stand on gun ownership. They're the ones that decide your fate.
 

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I was told that I could not, under any circumstances, have my gun in my car while teaching. I asked the police officer that is head of security for the District.
NEVER ask a cop about the law...ask a LAWYER.

Its not the business of a cop to know the law nor is a cop bound to give proper advice.

Its the business of a lawyer to know the law and are bound, by law, to give proper advice.

I am not a lawyer, but this is what i have been able to find concerning carrying on school grounds/functions. (IN not MI) The things i found relevant i have highlighted. Its confusing at least to me...but i live by the idea of "tried by 12 as opposed to being carried by 6". I refuse the idea of safe shelters for criminals and assorted other scumbags.

Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revision Indiana Legislative Services Agency
IC 35-47-9
Chapter 9. Possession of Firearms on School Property and School Buses

IC 35-47-9-0.1
Repealed
(Repealed by P.L.63-2012, SEC.78.)

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.

As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.
 

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NEVER ask a cop about the law...ask a LAWYER.

Its not the business of a cop to know the law nor is a cop bound to give proper advice.

Its the business of a lawyer to know the law and are bound, by law, to give proper advice.

I am not a lawyer, but this is what i have been able to find concerning carrying on school grounds/functions. (IN not MI) The things i found relevant i have highlighted. Its confusing at least to me...but i live by the idea of "tried by 12 as opposed to being carried by 6". I refuse the idea of safe shelters for criminals and assorted other scumbags.

Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revision Indiana Legislative Services Agency
IC 35-47-9
Chapter 9. Possession of Firearms on School Property and School Buses

IC 35-47-9-0.1
Repealed
(Repealed by P.L.63-2012, SEC.78.)

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.
Thanks for the info. I only asked the guy at my District because I know him. I will look into what you posted. :)
 

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I was told that I could not, under any circumstances, have my gun in my car while teaching. I asked the police officer that is head of security for the District.
First of all, it's a BAD IDEA to ask a police officer for legal advice.

Learn your state laws, talk to a 2A qualified attorney.

In MI for example, one can have a conceal carry firearm (with a CPL) in the parking lot of a school. They can OPEN CARRY in the school with a CPL. BUT, the school district can prohibit their employees from even carrying a firearm in transport mode in their vehicle. MI firearm laws are screwy.
 

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My cpl instructor, he is also the captain of our local sheriffs department.
I have seen some AWFUL legal information come from LEO's, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR POSITION!

One of the worst pieces of advice I heard from a LEO CPL instructor, MI laws specify that one can not conceal carry in an intertainment facility that seats more than 2,500 people. Question was asked on Cobo Hall (not arena, but hall). He stated that if everybody that was in the facility sat down, more than 2,500 people would be seated {sigh}.

Interesting side note on the 2,500 question, if a facility states they have a seating capacity of 2,500, we can't conceal carry... but if the facility has a fire marshall limit of 1,500 then are you violating the law?
 

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First of all, it's a BAD IDEA to ask a police officer for legal advice.

Learn your state laws, talk to a 2A qualified attorney.

In MI for example, one can have a conceal carry firearm (with a CPL) in the parking lot of a school. They can OPEN CARRY in the school with a CPL. BUT, the school district can prohibit their employees from even carrying a firearm in transport mode in their vehicle. MI firearm laws are screwy.
I was more asking him the District's policy. Downfall to working at a school.......
 
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