Evidence may show govt, not gun shops, arming cartels

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by bkt, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. bkt

    bkt New Member

    Evidence mounts that government, not gun shops, arming Mexican cartels
    April 29th, 2011 3:36 am PT
    Dave Workman

    PITTSBURGH — As the National Rifle Association gathers here for its annual convention starting today — an event that NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre predicted to this column yesterday would attract possibly 70,000 people — there is mounting evidence that this country’s government, not its gun shops or gun shows, is largely responsible for arming Mexican drug cartels.

    That revelation, plus the fact that Capitol Hill sources told this column on background that Congressional investigators remain in Arizona, interviewing various people in connection with the Project Gunrunner/Operation Fast and Furious controversy, will boost the NRA’s contention that American gun rights are not responsible for Mexico’s criminal wrongs.

    This new information, detailed yesterday by Fox News, and discussed by this column here, gives NRA new ammunition to oppose an effort by the Obama administration and embattled Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to expand reporting requirements on the sale of long guns in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. Many in the firearms community believe this expanded requirement, as reported by Reuters, would be instituted not to thwart gunrunning to Mexico, but to “soften up” gun owners and retailers nationwide to the notion that multiple sales of all firearms will be reported to the ATF. This back-door gun control strategy would be expanded nationwide.

    Here is what Fox News said about the U.S. government’s own culpability in arming Mexican drug gangs:

    You can't buy this stuff at a U.S. gun store. So where do the cartels get it? According to leaked diplomatic cables, there are three sources.

    1. U.S. Defense Department shipments to Latin America, known and tracked by the U.S. State Department as "foreign military sales."

    2. Weapons ordered by the Mexican government, tracked by the State Department as "direct commercial sales."

    3. Aging, but plentiful arsenals of military weapon stores in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua.

    Even though these facts were well-known by the Obama administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder, it blamed much of the violence in Mexico on U.S. gun stores.

    In 2009, when the Obama administration — primarily through Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton — began complaining about the number of U.S.-origin guns being recovered at Mexican crime scenes, they knew that gun shows and gun shops were not responsible. The press largely swallowed, and then regurgitated, the Obama “party line.”

    Only after National Gun Rights Examiner David Codrea and independent blogger Mike Vanderboegh — who are to be honored here tomorrow evening during a reception for bloggers hosted by the Second Amendment Foundation — began digging into the Gunrunner scandal, did beliefs begin to change about guns flowing south, and where they are coming from. CBS News’ detailed reporting on the Gunrunner operation, and what appears to be an orchestrated cover-up by ATF and the Department of Justice, has gotten other mainstream press to begin questioning the administration’s claims.

    In a bid to curb the flow of guns into Mexico, where drug cartels have waged deadly wars to protect their business, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has sought to tighten reporting requirements in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and California.—Reuters

    Congressional investigators, sources indicated, may be interviewing ATF whistleblowers, gun shop owners who repeatedly raised alarms about suspected gunrunners, and local law enforcement, and perhaps other federal law enforcement agencies including Customs and Border Protection, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, are possibly being interviewed. This process started Monday, when members of Congress sent “their people” to Arizona because of ATF and Justice Department stonewalling.

    Tomorrow’s officer reports during the annual members’ meeting, which usually amount to rousing speeches by NRA’s LaPierre and chief Lobbyist Chris Cox, could become far more, if they discuss these new Gunrunner revelations and developments. Gun owners have turned from embattled and embittered over Obama administration accusations, to downright furious. The proverbial cat appears to be out of the bag about the so-called “flood of guns” showing up in Mexico, and their source. It is now becoming more apparent that the U.S. government, that is, the Obama administration, in one form or another (i.e. military contracts, sales to Mexican law enforcement, and the Gunrunner/Fast and Furious efforts which now appear to have been at best a fiasco) is largely responsible for the carnage.

    As this column noted yesterday, the “Blame Bush” option is off the table. It would have no credibility. The blame now squarely appears to be landing on the Obama administration’s doorstep.
  2. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

    See what I mean, no reason for folks to hang the hopes on his Birth certificate. Come election time in 12' there will be a hoard of skeletons coming out of Obama's closet from his first term alone. ;)

    He can blame nobody but himself for every piece of legislation he has signed or executive order he has given :cool:

  3. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

    And I pray to God you're right, dog!!
  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    Viva la Revolucione! :rolleyes:
  5. wmille01

    wmille01 New Member

    Aman! ^^^^ put down your pitch forks and grab your assualt rifles! Where going to revolt! I'm going to Mexico to round up some men, I'll see you all in Washington! (just kidding... don't forget the government is always listening...)
  6. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

    Yeah I believe that's the case. What happens is a lot of politicians are busy destroying the image of "guns" to gain support of anti-gun bills. The thing the average person doesn't realize is that a lot of shootings are done with weapons no one can legally purchase, but the problem is the average person doesn't know the difference between semi automatic and full automatic, and they're the same people who call "grenades" "bombs". I know I'm just being picky about words but that's exactly that politicians don't want you to do, they use the word "gun" to refer to all kinds of weapons, legal and illegal. So then when you tell someone you have weapons etc, right away they associate you with "mediatized" events (murders etc) and get scared, and the more people start thinking like that and the more support these stupid laws are gonna get.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2011
  7. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

    U can't trust the Govt.
  8. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter


    The bottom line is a complete screw up by the operation the government conducted. Resulting in hundreds of weapons in the hands of the ones they were attempting to do the sting operation on! There was a dealer that was assisting. And the total operation backfired on them. Now the drug cartel has all the weapons!

  9. Richard47

    Richard47 New Member

    The Cartels have billions of dollars. They can simply buy the damn gun manufacturer if they wish. They also have attack helicopters and even submarines. Ity's ridiculous to think they are hiring mules to bring Century AK's and Glock 9's one at a time from Texas gunstores. This is just a ploy to get folks who worry about "illeagls" to support "gun control" at their local gunstore.....
  10. opaww

    opaww New Member

  11. Mack Bolan

    Mack Bolan New Member

  12. cuate

    cuate New Member

    There have been a sparse few Latinos who have bought a few AK semi autos in gun stores to attempt to sneak to Mexico but not in the amounts claimed by Washington's loudmouths....They have the money down there to buy full auto AKs and do so...

    The nanny pimps, owhatzisname, holder, clinton, the vice president and others of their types (Sorry, they deserve no capitol letters) intent has always been the complete British type of disarming Americans that they
    may rule like Kings, Dictators or Potentates and turn this Nation into the
    "United Socialist States of America"....

    It is not going to happen regardless of their lies and fabrications, and the
    2nd Amendment will keep us free if it ever comes to internal wars or rumors of wars....