eotech :(

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Hot Sauce NARC, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    i was bored today and since it was stupid hot i decided to punish myself and head out to the woods to do some shootin. I took the ar with the 512 eotech out and just for fun shot it at 35 yards with excellent results (50 cent size groups ......ok excellent for me) so then i set the target out to about 90 yards just to check if im still zeroed and im shooting at 4 inch withe on black targets, and the freaking red dot is covering the whole target. The targer essentially disappears behind the dot at that distance and it pissed me off so much i took off the red dot and put the carry handle back on, and once i found my zero again i was shooting 1 inch groups again so im gona keep the irons and dump the ultra taticool swat ninja stuff.
     
  2. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    You could not adjust the brightness until barely visible? The red dots in daylight are tough to see, but when adjusted to barely visible, you can see the target better. Jmho.
     

  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Yeah, I'd suggest turning the brightness down. If the dot is bigger than your front sight, it's not worth much.
     
  4. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    well i know what you mean but if you turn it down then you cant see the dot, if you turn it up to see the dot it covers the target with the fuzzy edges of the dot you cant win.
     
  5. feedsasquatch

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    Hotsauce, I'm thinking about getting an AR in the near future... How accurate are iron sights past 100 yards? Could you hit a 3" target at 300 yards with iron sights? If so, I might not bother with a scope if I get an AR...

    Sorry for my noob questions, I'm more familiar with pistols and .22's under 100 yards...
     
  6. skullcrusher

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    I feel your pain, NARC. Like bkt said, if the dot has to be bigger than your front sight to see it, they are not much good. But, I always turn the brightness down until I barely see it. No fuzzies. How much of the target can you see at that distance with the iron sights?
     
  7. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    sasquatch: idk much about shooting the ar much more than 100 sorry, but 3 inches at 300 yards may be pushing it a little, but im sure it can be done with practice.

    skull: it seems like even thought the front sight is bigger than the target its more forgiving than the red dot, idk y but i just seem to shoot better groups closer to the bulls eye with the irons. Instead of covering the round target with a round dot you only cover the bottom half with the sight post.
     
  8. skullcrusher

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    A lot of good shooting starts with confidence in your arm and sights. Seems like you shoot better with iron sights. Just knowing that goes a long way to better shooting. :D
     
  9. FCross7

    FCross7 New Member

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    One thing you can try is re-zeroing your eotech, but instead of zeroing with the dot on your target, zero it where the dot is right under your target. That's how I did my iron sights and it helped a lot at 100 yards. That way no matter how far out your shooting your target is never covered up. Just my .02

    -Fred

    -Fred
     
  10. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    Thanks Fred i may try that
     
  11. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    When zeroing a rifle you NEVER obscure the target with the front post! Proper sight picture should be with the target sitting atop the front post. As far as red dot sights go, they are intended for rapid sight acquisition at moderate ranges. For self-defense pistols, red dots can be very helpful since the goal is to hit center of mass and not a target bullseye. Very few red dot sights, if any, will subtend less than a 4 moa dot (4" at 100yds.). Again, obscuration of the target is NOT the correct way to sight-in a rifle or pistol for that matter.
     
  12. Dillinger

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    I suppose someone should step in here and point out that the EoTech is designed for Close Quarters, basically inside room to room and limited distance shooting.

    It's not designed to be a target scope - a red dot on a man sized target at 100 yards is going to be PLENTY for a minute of bad guy scenario.

    Now, as for shooting dimes at 100, you really need to have optics for that, a good target style scope.

    Let's not forget that one of the big knocks against the Mil-Dot, and why all the advancement over the technology in reticles over the past 10 years, is because there are those "in the know" that feel the Mil Dot covers too much real estate to be a good "target/hunting" style scope.

    As for the question of 3" at 300 - with iron sights, maybe, but with a competent shooter, and decent glass, you should be able to make that mark all day with a well built AR.

    JD
     
  13. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Those EOTechs are designed for quick, minute of bad guy shooting at distances out to 300ish yards. They're not designed for precision target shooting.

    You might want to look at something like a Pride and Fowler 1-4x24 illuminated: Rifle Scopes - Red Dot Pistol and Rifle Scopes Pride-Fowler, INC. Home of the Rapid Reticle or a Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20 MR/T: http://www.leupold.com/tactical/pro...t-riflescopes/mark-4-1-5-5x20mm-mrt-one-inch/

    Both can fulfill the need for quick 'heads up' target acquisition, but still offer magnification and accurate shot delivery at greater distances.
     
  14. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    hey thanks guys i should have donr more research and thought about what i needed on my gun before i went and spent 400 dollars on the coolest hottest thing just to look cool. For right now i think im going to stick with the irons for minute of bg/coyote out to 100 or so and then try and sell the eotech and sink that money into my rifle build that i cant decide what to do with yet, decisions decisions 4,000 seems to burn holes in your pocket pretty fast :D
     
  15. Dillinger

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    How much you want for the EoTech? :D
     
  16. Hot Sauce NARC

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    i was thinkin about 325 and ill include the YHM BUIS to make it an even 400
     
  17. matt g

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    IIRC, EOTech makes a magnifier that goes onto your rifle somehow.

    edit: 3x unit that retrofits all HWS versions, available with flip away mounts: http://www.eotech-inc.com/products.php?id=3

    That'll retain you precious EOTech and give you a 3x version of it for medium range engagements. It'll be much cheaper to go that route than either of the other two that I suggested eariler.
     
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  18. bkt

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    Everything you said is true. However, adding a Bushnell red-dot really brought my shots together at 100yds. Another solution for me would have been to get a tapered front sight post. (But I was able to get the Bushnell for a song, so I figured what the heck.)

    RL357Mag is right - never obscure your target with your front sight. Think "pumpkin on a post" when you're sighting in. My red dot sits perfectly in the middle with about half the diameter of the red dot is above my front post and it's about 1/4 the size of the front post as far as my eye is concerned when the intensity is set correctly. Like I said, this brought my group in very tight immediately.
     
  19. TXnorton

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    I have a EOTech 512 on my 16" RRA flat-top AR. I can easily put 20 rounds in the black at 100 yards from a bench, when shooting semi-rapid fire (1 round per second - the shooting range's limit on rapid fire). I can do a bit better when taking more time for each shot, maybe 4" groups. But I bought the EOTechs (I have one on my AK as well) for the intended purpose - quick target acquisition at 100 yards or less. I have a Trijicon 4x32 ACOG on my old SP1 (carry handle mount), and it provides me with better groups at 200 yards than I can shoot with my .30-06 hunting rifle with a 4 x 12 scope!

    Your results may vary - mine are limited by my own abilities (and my 55 year old bi-focal eyes!)

    TXnorton