Enough Power?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by PowderBurnBassist, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. PowderBurnBassist

    PowderBurnBassist New Member

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    A buddy of mine and I are going hog culling out at his ranch next week close to Madina, TX. I'm not sure what breed they are but they can't be that big. I need to know if my 30/30 will be powerful enough to to make one shot drops. I'll be taking a few boxes of Remington 170 Super-X. Any input is appreciated.
     
  2. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    The gun I use is a mark V .257 weatherby mag. Use only 117 grain round nose bullets. It is increadably accurate and it may sound like a small caliber but the round nose bullets will drop just about anything you shoot at. This gun is going to have more distance than a 30/30. I've shot pigs up to 400 pounds in the shoulder at 150 yards and every time I shoot it. No matter what I'm shooting at, drops.
     

  3. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    A 30/30 will drop any hog you want but a bullet that heavy might be too heavy and will only drop a good size pig at about a 100 yards. The bullet will lose power after that distance and will drop rapidly.
     
  4. PowderBurnBassist

    PowderBurnBassist New Member

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    Yeah, physics are not on my side for the rounds I have but money is tight. We will probably be at 100 meters or so. Like you said, very heavy bullet. Even though these animals are pests, I still wish to honor them with a quick death. I don't want to have to track to find them bleeding out in pain. That does not resonant well with me. I guess I will have to be proper with my bullet placement.

    Do you think it would be feasible to take my knife and round off the head of the bullet?
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    The heavier mass weight of the bullet will help it retain energy. Forget velosity. Your .30-30 w/ the 170gr will be fine out to 150 yards. The 150gr will loose velosity faster and have much less energy. Where did you every get the idea less is more? THE BC and SD is much higher w/ a 170gr over a 150gr. That eqautes to killing power. Don't start hacking your bullets, you will loose accuracy and they will not perform as they were designed to.
     
  6. jpattersonnh

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    Carter, if you ever want to learn about shooting, hunting, PM me. Your way off base. I'd be happy to take you out and show you the difference. I'd take my 9.3x57 w/ a 286gr at 2000fps over your 3000fps 117gr on a charging or grazing pig anyday. What you are equating this to is a Porshe at 100mph hitting a tree, will it knock the tree down, maybe, but the car will stop. Now hit the same tree w/ a Semi tractor at 60 mph, it may be damaged, but it is still moving forward after the hit. The 30.30 is a 1960's caddy!
     
  7. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    What gun is that? A 45/40? Let's see how far that can shoot with out droping. Maybe fifty yards. Just mind your own damn business so I dint have to make you feel like an idiot again.
     
  8. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    Powderburn the 30/30 is gonna do just fine. It's a good choice for dropping heavier larger pigs. Thank you for not being an ******* like the guy who thinks shooting a tree with a 250 grain bullet will knock the tree down and then says I'm te one who doesn't know about guns. I hope ou get a huge trophy boar buddy. Good luck.
     
  9. a7mmnut

    a7mmnut New Member

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    You can always switch to the 150 Win. HP's for longer work. They've always shot well for me.

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  10. jjfuller1

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    interesting analogy. gave me a giggle. but none the less. true. with good placement the 170's should do good work
     
  11. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    Oh and by the way dumb *** who named himself after colonel John Patterson who killed the lions in tsavo in north Kenya Africa in 1896 because the lions killed
    More than one hundred railroad workers. Ive been to Africa. Ive shotten mire than a hundred hogs. I think I may know a thing ir two about hunting. The heavier the bullet the more it will drop. My bullet is still plenty heavy and the bullets I use are built for penetration. They're meant to take dangerous game. Your bullet is a heavier hitting bullet but not good for more than maybe fifty to seventy five yards. And I promise you you don't know half as much as you think you do. So next time you have a dilator remark to make. Think to your self. Hey. Maybe this guy knows what he's talking about. That will keep you from sounding like such a dumbass
     
  12. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    A7mmnut. Good choice. I use the same grade bullet in my .270 short mag
     
  13. MrWray

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    I have a winchester model 70, 7mmWSM and love it.. I generally use 140gr rounds.. I love knocking down coyotes with it
     
  14. fireguy

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    I think you are asking for a short run at being a member here. Jpattersonnh has been a pretty good source of info for a lot of people. He has some insight and can do it without being a whiney PIA know it all like you are coming across as.
    You aren't impressing anybody acting like that.
     
  15. Txhillbilly

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    I see we have a hot head here. There's no need in attacking,JP and He's pretty sharp whan it comes to ballistics.

    Now you say you know what your talking about! Well if the powder was of the same type,and same charge and the only difference was the bullet weight,then yes,you are correct about the heavier bullet dropping before the lighter one with most 30/30 bullets.
    But being a reloader for many years,there's hardly any load that is the same for different weights of bullets,and being that most bullets have a better BC as they get heavier,it will in most cases blow your theory all to pieces.

    A 308 or 300 WM will shoot a 208gr AMax bullet further and more accurate than a 168gr AMax bullet.It's because the BC of the heavier bullets allows it to do so.
    I'm known to shoot just a little,so prove me wrong.

    Being that you are new here,it might help if you didn't try to shout at people,the Mod's might tell you to play else where.
     
  16. MrWray

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    We r all here to lend our help and to learn things from others, not to pick fights and insult others
     

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  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree with your way with words! how well said jp! maybe when carter starts reading a little history on ballistics he might learn a thing or two! didn't the 45-70 have excellent long range ballistics? and they used bullets in the 350-450gr weight range! i think the lack of the buffalo herds in America have proven that! i will take your 9.3x57 over his 257 any time i need to hunt a very large animal intent on doing harm to me.
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    powderburn, check out Hornady's 160gr Leverrevolution ammo. might just be what you are looking for. hornady makes excellent ammo and i use a lot of their bullets when reloading. hope this helps and good hunting!
     
  19. carter257mag

    carter257mag New Member

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    I agree I am sorry for being so agressive too.
     
  20. PowderBurnBassist

    PowderBurnBassist New Member

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    Thanks for the good thought. I hope I bag the grandaddy of them all.
     
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