Enfield No4 MK I - Help

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by TXnorton, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    I just bought a Enfield No4 Mk I (1944 Canadian - Long Branch) rifle at lunch time. It is in very good condition with a very good bore. This was sort of a short notice purchase. Now to sneak it into the house unseen.

    I just edited this post, as I had originaly asked for help figuring out how to remove the bolt, but I have now found the instructions at surplusrifle.com.

    I am in no way connected to this gun shop (other than they get a lot of my money) but if you are in the Houston area, this place is worth a visit. They have a great web-site and if you just want to spend a few hours drooling over over photos of all types of vintage as welll as modern firearms go here:

    Collectors Firearms
     
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  2. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    Here's the New Toy

    .303 Enfield No. 4 mk 1, 1944 Long Branch - Canadian manufacture.
     

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  3. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    I think you picked a winner. Nice looking smelly there.
     
  4. c3shooter

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    WHAT ?!? NO PIG STICKER ?!?!?

    Now just how the hell are you going to take care of zombies when you empty the mag? Don't just sit there- go find a bayonet, and make that Long Branch whole again!!! :D

    Hey- nice rifle! I lucked out a coupla years back and scored 2k rds of the Greek Milsurp cheep- on strippers. Must have done something good in a former life or something.
     
  5. TXnorton

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    The Pig Sticker is on the way! I found a "Bowie Knife" Enfield bayonet on eBay yesterday after I bought the rifle. I am off to shoot it this afternoon, and will post a range report later!
     
  6. CA357

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    Congratulations, enjoy that old classic. :cool:
     
  7. Dcomf

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    Good selection at that place but they seem to be awfully proud of their guns with prices like that. They are a little too generous with their grading system too.
     
  8. TXnorton

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    OK, I shot 40 rounds through the Enfield on Friday afternoon. It was OK, but I am not posting any photos of my targets just yet. I was shooting at 100 yards, and had all rounds on paper, and after I got used to the hard trigger pull, I could keep them mostly in the 5 ring.

    The trigger on this Enfield is a bit of a pig. Lots of slack to take up (well it is military), and then a HARD trigger pull, hard enough that it was difficult to hold point of aim to get a good group at 100 yards. I had to basically squeeze out the slack then intentionally do a hard pull the trigger, none of the squeeze-fire business here! The trigger is NOWHERE near as good as the trigger on my kar 98K Mauser, which has a very smooth and crisp trigger.

    I am going to completely strip the rifle this week-end and see if the trigger mechanism is full of cosmolene or has some other problem. I may then take it to a gunsmith to see if the trigger can be lightened up.

    Any suggestions from other Enfield owners out there?

    In spite of the heavy trigger pull (which I could learn to live with), I am not at all unhappy with the purchase.
     
  9. c3shooter

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  10. Highpower

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    One little tip:

    If you intend to remove the butt stock for any reason, make sure you remove the fore-stock FIRST. Bad things happen if you don't.... ;)
     
  11. TXnorton

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    C3 - Thanks for the response. I had the rifle and trigger parts apart this afternoon, and removed the trigger and sear. I did some light work with emery paper and then polished the contact surfaces to a bright finish with my buffing wheel. Dry firing after re-assembly seems MUCH better. I'll have to wait until my bulk ammo order gets in to try another range shoot with it. The Huber trigger looks like a really nice improvement, but at $90, it is a bit pricey!

    Highpower - Thanks for the warning, I followed the instructions from the surplusrifle.com website download so I did not screw anything up!
     
  12. TXnorton

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    C3 - Thanks for the advice, I shot the Enfield yesterday after the trigger polishing job. MAJOR difference, and much more of a crisp action. This made a dramatic improvement in my targets.
     
  13. RCHanlin

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    Glad it worked for you ... I hope you keep this rifle as is and don; hack i all up as so many folks are prone to do hese days...

    Cheers:)
     
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  14. agoetz2005

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    We rebuild and refinish a lot of old enfields at the shop.

    The No4's are my favorite to work on.

    You'd be suprised how much a stone job on the trigger, lap in the bolt, and polish of the bolt internals can slick these dudes right up.
     
  15. RCHanlin

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    I'm embarassed to even admit this ...

    It was a long branch that got me started in collecting and restoring... And although I've restored many SMLE's, I've never done any polish work to the triggers and bolts as you have suggested. That really should have been part of my process all along but at the time I was simply restoring and "storing"... That Long Branch is the only Enfield that I have actually ever taken to the range :(

    Have you ever restored any of the "line throwers" ? I've got one now that I've restored and have the correct gauge wire to go ahead and re-enforce. I know there are folks that say that these were mainly enfields that were wrapped becuase they started out as sub-standard rifles that may no be able to take the preasures of launching grenades or throwing lines between Navy ships .. But there are ohers ( including myself ) that believe there is nothing wrong wih these rifles at all...

    What say you ?
     
  16. agoetz2005

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    The explanation that I heard was that they were wire wrapped to handle the increased stress from firing grenades or lines.

    I had not heard that they were sub par rifles, only that they were reinforced for safety.


    My favorite SMLE is my Dad's. I found it for him, but it is a Savage Made Enfield. Matching numbers on Bolt, Receiver, Bayonet, and Magazine, etc. Block "S";s out the wazoo. Really a good shooter.
     
  17. RCHanlin

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    I prefer to think that the rifles were wrapped to take the added stress of firing the grenades as well... They launch a tennis ball pretty well also :)

    I'd also like to add a Savage to my collection.. And as far as I'm concerned, they are ALL good shooters..

    Cheers:)
     
  18. c3shooter

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    Have heard the "defective rifle" story- these were used to shoot ball ammo as well as launch grenades- and launching genades puts a LOT of stress on a rifle. AFAIK, the wire wrap was to reinforce parts of the STOCK that were prone to crack under the increaed stress.
     
  19. RCHanlin

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    That is how I remeber it also .. Thanks
     
  20. DrGonzo11

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    From what Ive been told it was to keep the hand guard from popping off, as there isn't much holding it on, and it gave the person firing the grenade a little more traction to keep the rifle in hand after launching a grenade.