Enfield No. 4 for $150?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Rossignol, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. Rossignol

    Rossignol New Member

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    Talking to a guy today with a few rifles for sale.

    He has an Enfield No. 4, reciever stamped "No.4 MK I (F) 1949. I'm guessing the "(F)" means it was made in the government factory, in Fazakerly?

    At $150 it seems like a good buy. Any thoughts? Anyone have any experience with the Enfields, positive or negative? And how difficult is it to find the .303 ammo? If the ammo can be found, what manufacturers are making it?

    Thanks in advance,

    brad.
     
  2. jpattersonnh

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    No4 Enfields are awesome. I thought all production had moved to No4mk2 by then. You really need to check the bore. Ammo is easy to find on the internet. For non-corrosive Prvi Partisan is hard to beat price and qaulity wise.
    Edit: If it is a 1949, then it should be a No4mk2 as the mk1 production ceased in 1944.
     
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  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    $150. is a good price if it's in decent shape.
     
  4. Rossignol

    Rossignol New Member

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    Alright, thanks, I'll ask the guy to double check the stamp, he is blind in one eye! lol!
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    It is a very good price if it is in good shape and matching. I've seen them go for $270.00 to 400.00 lately.
     
  6. Rossignol

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    Cool, and thanks. Your info hasd led me to dig into some more research where I found this;

    Enfield Rifles Page

    about half way down the page, under the heading "Enfield No. 4", the middle of the paragraph explains the Mk 2 designation in 1949, and that they were made only in Fazakerley between 1949 and 1955.

    So all that said, I think I'm gonna jump on it! :)
     
  7. TXnorton

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    That price sounds good (maybe too good?). I paid $350 for a 1944 manufacture No4 Mk1 Longbranch (Canadian) in excellent condition last year.

    Go here for information on stripping the Enfield http://surplusrifle.com/

    Good luck, and if you buy it (and if it is in good condition) you will love that rifle!
     
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  8. flyingbrickracing

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    It may be a Mk1 as the conversion did not start at Fazakerly untill mid year.
    I have a No.4 Mk1 that was made in April of '49.
     
  9. Rossignol

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    Hmmm... I havent been able to see it for myself, and he didnt give me the production date.

    what I do know is because of being blind in his "shootin eye", he's parting with rifles he other wise wouldnt have and has held onto for 20 years longer than he has been able to use them. I'm hoping that explains the "too good to be true" price...

    As soon as I know for sure, I'll post it up here!

    Thanks!
     
  10. flyingbrickracing

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    That's too bad for him,I'd take a stab at retraining to shoot with whatever good eye I had left before I threw in the towel.
    His non shooting eye may have been poor already though.
     
  11. Rossignol

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    Yeah, true dat! When I asked him for the marks, he could barely ready them without a magnifier. I hope to talk to him again today to get the production dates and the condition. He has had the rifle for many many years, but hasnt been able to shoot, hasnt fired the rifle in 20 years.

    So as long as the furniture isnt cracked and splintered, (I dont mind some "age") and the receiver and action isnt seized with rust, and all the findings are there... I can take it to a smith and have it looked at. I recently passed on a Fabrica Armas 1927 7mm, so I'm pretty excited to get more info on this thing and have it checked out.
     
  12. c3shooter

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    DO get a smith to check the headspace- the design of the Enfield rsulted in headspace increasing as the rifle is shot- but you can compensate to a degree by going to a higher number bolt head if necessary. I am still shooting Greek Milsurp ammo (really good, but getting scarce) and there are bunches of makers of civvy .303 Brit ammo out there.

    IMHO, really good rifle, good cartridge. Accurate, enough power that folks HAVE moose hunted with them, but not unduly punishing of the shooter.
     
  13. Rossignol

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    Quick update.

    Just talked to him again, he has not one but TWO of the No. 4's, production dates of 01/49 and 02/49, with the latter being the one selling for $150 in fair, but used condition. The 01/49, he says is mint and he'd be willing to sell also, but at a higher price, (reasonable and expected).

    Hope to meet with him soon and take a look for myself.

    He also mentioned an 1898 Mauser chambered in 8mm. Hmmm...
     
  14. Rossignol

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    Here are the pics! Everything matches, with the exception of the clip on the one dated 01/49. The clip is from the Longbranch factory.

    The one with the darker furniture is the 01/49, and the lighter colored one is 02/49. The most noticable difference is the earlier model has grooves running parallel to the barrel in the top of the forend furniture, should be noticable in a couple of the pics.

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    In this next pic, you can see the grooves in the No. 4 on the left in front of the reciever.

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    Here again in this final pic, you can see the grooves in the No. 4 on top.

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    I'd be interested in your thoughts, I plan to buy them both!

    Oh! Almost forgot, I was able to take a look at that 8mm. Mauser too! Stamped "1891" and under that, "Danzig"
     
  15. gorknoids

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    Great point on the bore check. That said, where can a guy get an accurate bore gauge/kit that permits one to measure erosion on a rifle like this? (I know....I'll Google it... :) )
     
  16. c3shooter

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    Lovely rifles! FWIW, a throat erosion guage is about $60 plus shipping, Sneaked a peek at the Brownells catalog, did not see one in 303, but they have them in 30 cal, .223, etc. For that price, I would find a smith that already owns the guages, and pay him the $5-10 to check them.
     
  17. gorknoids

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    Roger that. Thanks!
     
  18. Rossignol

    Rossignol New Member

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    Yep, I plan to have them checked out by a smith. I removed the bolts and looked down the barrels, and by no means am I a smith, but the one is very much coated in cosmoline as well as the action. I'm really diggin what I'm seeing, looks like a good find.
     
  19. zhuk

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    You got the markings down, here's what the great wiki god has to say on the subject :p


    Marking Manufacturer Country

    ROF (F) - Royal Ordnance Factory Fazakerley - United Kingdom

    ROF (M) - Royal Ordnance Factory Maltby - United Kingdom

    B - Birmingham Small Arms Co. Ltd - United Kingdom

    M47C - Birmingham Small Arms Factory (Shirley) - United Kingdom

    Longbranch - Longbranch Arsenal - Canada

    US PROPERTY - Savage Arms - U.S.

    POF - Pakistan Ordnance Factories - Pakistan


    Hey that's a really great price if the rifle is decent quality. Lots of SMLEs down here, they are pretty popular for service rifle competitions (not suprisingly since we lack semis) and most people seem to reload their own ammo. A few guys in my club shoot them in standard rifle division.


    Check out the prices a good BSA 1943 No.4 goes for locally - over 1000 bucks! :eek:

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    Lawrance Ordnance - BSA No.4 Mk.I (1943) .303 Rifle
     
  20. Rossignol

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    Oh wow! 'preciate all the info, thank you! One of the two I'm looking at has the sames grooves in the forend as yours. I plan to shoot em, as long as long as the smith gives them the ok.

    I should be able to pick both of these up for $600.