Elk rounds

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by mrb1982, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. mrb1982

    mrb1982 New Member

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    I have a 7mm Rem Mag and no matter how much I try to convince myself to go to a larger bullet, I like the 150gr. That is fine for deer, but I am going to be shooting an elk. I've seen many people use smaller guns and have no problems. I know that I could load some bigger ones up specifically for certain game, but I would like a do-all round. I generally get great energy and velocity with accuracy out of the 150gr. Should I have any hesitations to shoot an elk with it? I really don't but I am curious to hear what some other people have to say about it. Thanks for any input you might have ahead of time.
     
  2. ninjatoth

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    I have heard of people having no trouble taking elk with .270 Winchester,so that 7mm being even faster than that,you are golden.
     

  3. Snakedriver

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    I have some 7mm Rem. Mag's. that are 175 gr's. that I feel would be excellent on Elk size game, but my Savage 116 really likes the 160-162 gr. rounds. My feeling is that they would work equally well on large game.

    As with any hunting sport, shot placement is everything. Your 150's will probably do the job just fine if you get a solid heart-lung shot in on an elk. Just be sure to use a good partition round that will hold together and get good penetration.
     
  4. lonewolf101

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    The bullet weight is a little light for elk but shot placment is KEY!
     
  5. mrb1982

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    I agree, shot placement is by far the most important thing I think.

    I have been avidly into archery to this point in my life, and it seems everybody is quick to jump at shooting 70-80# DW with amazingly heavy arrows for penetration and all this crap, but if you don't put it in the right spot, it doesn't matter.

    I think a lot of the same holds for rifles. Thank you to everyone on the sight who has helped me out over the past.
     
  6. lonyaeger

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    I guess my question is.....why? Do you mean your rifle likes 150-grains or YOU do?
     
  7. mrb1982

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    A little of both. I do MOSTLY mule deer hunting, and will have some elk tags in the near future. I like the velocity and the groupings I get with 150's, and with that said, my gun seems to REALLY like them. I've had more accuracy with them than others. I've shot some muley bucks and does, and have had a great success with the 150's without being so to speak "overkill." It's just been a great all around round for me at this opint. I shot some whitetails with it too and it has always been just an awesome round.

    I feel really comfortable with it for larger game like an elk, I don't have any insecurities about it. I had an old college roomate that went elk hunting with a 243, and did it successfully so I don't feel I should have any problems with a 150gr 7mm I guess.
     
  8. 30-30remchester

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    I wonder how many respondants have actually shot an elk. Of those that have I wonder how many have shot an elk with the bullet described. I am a terminal ballistician as a hobby. I was an elk guide for 9 years and an elk hunter for 42 years. I have actually seen over 100 elk killed. That being said I saw only one elk shot with a 7mm Mag using 150 grain Remington Cor-lokts. So even with all my experence I have but one experence with the above mentioned bullet weight. Many companies build 150 grain bullets for the 7mm. Some top quality bullets like Nosler Partitions, Barnes solid coppers and a few other premium bullets SHOULD be fine. However since elk seldom stand broadside I would suggest bullets capable of good weight retention to ensure deep penatration. Just because a bullet is a certain weight does not give evidence of its abilities. In 270 caliber 150 grainers are the bee's knee's for big game. In 30 caliber the 150's are deer bullets, in 35 caliber 150 grain bullets are for varmits only. By the way the one and only elk I saw shot with a 150 grain 7mm was a clients 5 point bull at 125 yards. At the shot the elk dropped like a sack of potatos. Turning to slap my client on the back, he yelled look at that. The elk had regained his footage and retreated rapidly into heavy timber. After a mile of tracking, the elk made it to private property and was unrecovered. Was it the bullet, the bullet weight, shot placement, that was behind the lost elk? I will never know. One experence doesnt tell us much.
     
  9. JTJ

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    I used 150 gr 270 on elk. Worked very well.
     
  10. mrb1982

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    Some good info 30-30. I myself am not a firm believer in have to have a big ole heavy slug to kill everything, that's just a personal opinion of mine I guess. Elk are a tough animal, no doubt about that. I guess I just don't really want to jump all the way to 175-180 gr and I don't think just going that little bit to 160 would even be worth stepping up. Go big or go home I guess, huh? lol

    I have been a fan of the 150gr. Sierra Gameking's in the past. I've never had an animal get away from this round, ever. I don't know a lot about some of these points, is this considered to be a descent point at 150gr?
     
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  11. lonyaeger

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    Okay, how does your rifle like 160 grain bullets and up? If it shoots them fine, just to be safe and for peace of mind, you might want to go with the heavier bullet with the right load.
     
  12. mrb1982

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    I've thought about shooting some heavier stuff to see how it performs. I don't really like the idea of just lobbing a big ole chunk of stuff out there either. I have heard good things about the 168gr Berger's. My only concern is with the bullet defragmenting as much as it does, I don't want to end up with a bunch of it in my meat.

    Do you know much about these? Do you think it would be much of a problem? I know a lot of guys like them, but at this point, since I haven't educated a heavier bullet much, I have been shying away from them.
     
  13. lonyaeger

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    Berger specializes more in match-type bullets, and they are generally considered excellent. Don't know anything about their hunting bullets.

    My preferences are (1) Sierra Game King and (2) Nosler Accubond. I know Hornady makes good stuff but, for some reason, my rifles shoot the other two better.

    I'm not understanding why you wouldn't just try something north of 160 grains and, if your rifle shoots them well, you won't be preoccupied with whether or not you're shooting a heavy enough bullet?
     
  14. mrb1982

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    I don't know why I haven't either. Here are my thoughts on going from 150 to a 160. It's not enough of a jump. I feel like you either need to shoot 150 or 175. 160, for lack of explanation, is kinda "ballistic purgatory" for lack of better explanation. I think you either need to enjoy the fruits of the increased velocity or the added penetration. I don't always believe more grains equals better penetration and so on. I tend to fall down the line of finding a "descent" sized slug with "descent" velocity to maximize velocity and energy.

    I know there is a lot to be said about the Berger's not retaining much weight at all, in which a small percent actually stay intact on penetration. I'm not really sure what to think about that either.

    I shoot mostly deer with this gun, and will have the oppurtunity soon for some elk and I think I can do well with the 150's I guess. At this point I am shooting 150gr. Sierra Gamekings and I've had awesome success with them. I am sure I could go to a 160 but if I have no complaints about the 150's, I probably dont' really need to do it as long as the 150's will suit my needs. I don't know. I have a tendency to over-think things and I am pretty sure that is what I am doing here. I can probably load up some 3000-3100fps 150gr. Sierra Gamekings and kill about anything I would want to kill in N.A. We'll see I guess. I got a while before I throw together some more loads so we'll see I guess.
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    My Thoughts on 150gr for 7mmRM. I shot them for years. I also used 175gr for elk back when we did not have the bullet choices we do now. The biggest issue is construction, retained weight, and penetration. So here is what I use now. Both 140 and 160gr Barnes XTP Flat base. I have the older XFB which is still the same bullet, just a new package. Some may say, a 140gr for Elk? Yep, it gives up nothing to the 160gr at out to 400 yards. MV is 300fps faster then the 160gr. The amount of energy is about 20fp less at 400 yards. If your 150gr is well constructed, you will be fine. Sierra pro hunter??? Not sure it is really the right bullet. I use them on Whitetail, but not Elk.
     
  16. lonyaeger

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    Ah, "gap-itis." I see.

    I haven't decided on my bullet for elk, but it's going to range from 140 to 160 grains through my .280 Ackley. Pretty close to the same ballistics as your 7mm. I'm confident enough in my shooting ability to know that even a 140 grain bullet will make a clean kill.

    Good luck this season. Let us know how it all works out!
     
  17. mrb1982

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    No, I shoot Sierra Gameking Boatail Spitzer Points usually. They've been good to me so far I guess

     
  18. lonyaeger

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    Gap-itis is the phenomenon of having too wide of a disparity in the desired weight of the bullets you would like to use. :cool:

    just kidding....I made it up :eek:
     
  19. mrb1982

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    lol I understand your thoughts. I am an MRI/CT technologist and in our practice, little changes don't do much of anything for your image quality, generally speaking of course. So when I think about things, I must naturally let those sort of theories drip into everything I do. hahahaha

    On a different note, I have a buddy who has a 280 Ackley improved and he likes it, but he says that brass is spendy and so he is just shooting regular 280's I think right now to get some brass. How do you like yours?
     
  20. jpattersonnh

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    Pro Hunter, Game king, not the right choice. IMHO. I love them, But the Jacket thickness, or lack of, and the fact they are not bonded don't make them my 1st choice on thick, heavy game. Barnes may not mushroom as well as either Sierra, but they will break a shoulder and keep on moving forward and keep most of their weight.