electric trigger

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locutus

Discussion Starter · May 19, 2019

I've often wondered why no one has come up with a service handgun with an electric trigger.

No moving parts in the trigger mechanism. Just add pressure and when you hit a certain point, the piezoelectric effect fires the weapon. No "break" point, just continuously increasing pressure and then BANG!

Possibly even with electrically primed ammo to eleminate the hammer, firing pin etc and totally eliminate any moving parts from the fire control mechanism.

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schnuffleupagus

· #2 · May 19, 2019 (Edited)

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I remember something like that in the 1980s...

The ACR project was using caseless ammo and electronic ignition. It was like a .177 needle inside some fast solid rocket propellant.
Too many new things at once...failed

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Lennypeters

· #3 · May 20, 2019

Pardini made a .22 target pistol with an electronic trigger for a while. I'm not sure why but they never caught on. I only know one shooter who has one and it has been for sale for a while with no takers.

rockratt

· #4 · May 20, 2019

I've often wondered why someone hasn't come up with caseless ammo. Imagine the dollars and the weight that would be saved. But now I don't ever see it happening because the laser will be the next big thing to hit the firearms industry IMO.

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SGWGunsmith

· #5 · May 20, 2019

rockratt said:
I've often wondered why someone hasn't come up with caseless ammo. Imagine the dollars and the weight that would be saved. But now I don't ever see it happening because the laser will be the next big thing to hit the firearms industry IMO.

They have. Daisy VL. Is .22 caliber. Guess it was a flop but some continue to experiment with producing caseless ammunition, and the Daisy VL ammunition is still available on-line.
I often wondered how it would be unloaded, or if a lot of trees were shot?

schnuffleupagus

· #6 · May 20, 2019

Watch "Kraut Space Magic: the H&K G11" on YouTube

danf_fl

· #7 · May 20, 2019

The short life of the batteries is a major hinderance.
Plus what happens when a battery is discharged and left in.

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locutus

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 20, 2019

hows 'bout batteries with solar chips in the stocks that recharge continuously like some wrist watches?

Ingramite

· #9 · May 20, 2019

Aw-ight, I ain't sayin if this is true or just the ramblings of some High Fence ranchers that I visit with over breakfast.

All around my place are high fence ranches filled with exotic game. City folks pay big bucks to come here for hunts and take home trophy mounts. It ain't my business but it pays my neighbors bills so I keep my opinions to myself. Even when it comes to hunting zebra in Texas from the back of a jeep.

Anyway, I heard tell of an exotic game ranch in these parts that conducts computer hunts. They pay a fee then fire up their laptop. What the see next is actual live cam footage of the "stalking and tracking " of the animal that they picked off the menu.

Tha click of the computer key changes the camera view to a view looking through a rifle scope. Use the arrow keys to move the crosshairs. You next key stroke pulls the trigger.

Two days later FedEx brings the frozen meat to your door. A month later the trophy mount comes. You never leave your easy chair.

Ok, I know the topic was electric triggers.
Watch what you ask for.

Fact or fiction?

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c3shooter

· #10 · May 20, 2019

3

SSP-E. A pistol with a USB port.

Pardini FP-E. Single shot 22, electronic trigger.

Electric Walther FP

Over the years, there have been various electrical ignition systems- Voere, the Electraprime shotshell, etc. And yes, there have been caseless rounds- starting with the Rocket Ball and the Daisy VL. And being caseless, it WAS hell to un-chamber a round.

So- what's the problem? Problem was- none of them was SO good as to make them worthwhile. Lemme preach on this for a minute...

Next year I plan to market a new car. Looks pretty snazzy, and it is a peppy little car- good handling, good acceleration, and it gets 5% better gas mileage than a comparable existing car. Price is... about 3% higher than its competitor. Oh- and it runs on kerosene. Not #2 diesel, not gasoline- K-1 Kerosene. Is there a problem? Yeah! How you gonna feed that thing?

Same problem with the caseless ammo folks. Oh, the military does look at it for advanced weapons, saving weight and space- but THEY have logistics systems to stay supplied. You don't.

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locutus

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 20, 2019

C3, I wasn't thinking about caseless ammo, but about electric primed, like our current 20,25 and 30MM that we've used for years.

Obviously, it works. It's easy and economical to produce, but no small arms use it so no demand.

If the target crowd demanded it, the big three would produce it.

It seems to me that serious competitors would leap at the chance to use a match gun that had no moving parts in the fire control system.

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c3shooter

· #12 · May 20, 2019

I can see a number of problems with an electric/electronic priming system, BUT- for target pistols/ rifles, I could see an electrically controlled sear, with a microswitch for a trigger. Trying to remember the first one of those I saw- been a LONG time back- recall that it was .22 rimfire, with a double firing pin.

That could be infinitely adjustable for trigger travel, breaking weight, overtravel, etc.

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kfox75

· #13 · May 21, 2019

Hell, I have a rifle along those lines, that I still regularly use. The CVA Electra, with a new one out now as well, the CVA ARC. If you really think about it, it is fired with an electrical impulse, via an electronic trigger, powered by a 9 volt battery in the stock, and fires a "Caseless" round. No primer, no cap, no flint, electricity.

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Wambli

· #14 · May 21, 2019

Remington tried it with the etronix line of rifles and ammo. Anyone remembers them? Exactly... they are a footnote in firearms history. Unreliable, sucked in cold weather, batteries die between use and so on...

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Trez

· #15 · May 21, 2019

Wambli said:
Remington tried it with the etronix line of rifles and ammo. Anyone remembers them? Exactly... they are a footnote in firearms history. Unreliable, sucked in cold weather, batteries die between use and so on...

Yep.. Remington already did it....

locutus

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 21, 2019

c3shooter said:
That could be infinitely adjustable for trigger travel, breaking weight, overtravel, etc.

My ideal would be no break, zero travel.

c3shooter

· #17 · May 21, 2019

Well, that could be done- like the touch screen on a smart phone. But those don't like gloves.

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kdog

· #18 · Jun 30, 2019

locutus said:
I've often wondered why no one has come up with a service handgun with an electric trigger.

No moving parts in the trigger mechanism. Just add pressure and when you hit a certain point, the piezoelectric effect fires the weapon. No "break" point, just continuously increasing pressure and then BANG!

Possibly even with electrically primed ammo to eleminate the hammer, firing pin etc and totally eliminate any moving parts from the fire control mechanism.

Would you trust electronics with your life, that it will work when it should, that nothing is jamming the electronic signal, the battery is full enough to garanty a fully working system?

Isn`t that just the reason for not accepting smart technology in firearms?

locutus

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jun 30, 2019

I dunno, gize. The M-61 Vulcan is totally electric and it's been 100+ percent for the last 70 or so years.

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