Effectiveness of a shotgun

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by MP1000, Sep 29, 2009.

  1. MP1000

    MP1000 New Member

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    I've been wondering, how effective is a shotgun? What I mean by that is, it seems to me that a shotgun wouldn't have a lot of stopping power because it fires beads, not bullets. I think beads wouldn't go in very far compared to bullets. I'm referring to a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun firing buckshots. Do you think that shotgun would do a lot of damage? I've never fired a shotgun before, so I obviously don't have any experience. Or are the beads like lots of bullets being fired out at once?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. skullcrusher

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    Shotguns are extremely effective. I wonder why you want a double barrel, though. The pumps can hold many shells at once. Still shooting one at a time.

    The home defense rounds are not beads, so to speak. 00 buckshot is no joke. At 40 yds, shot from #4 on up (in size) can do plenty of damage.

    If you have a range near you, go and rent a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Shoot the different loads.

    You can shoot slugs through shotguns as well. That's what I use to drop big whitetails with one shot. If it drops a large adult deer, it will drop an intruder. It will also penetrate walls.

    Shottys are a good choice for home defense, but you need to know what it will and will not do. I hope I answered some of your questions. If you have more, feel free to ask. :D
     

  3. Moss99

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    Well the simple answer is to try it. Fire a shatgun with 00 buck one time and that will answer a lot of your questions.

    But if you want to get technical i'll give you some examples...

    .38 Special
    110gr bullet x 980 fps = 235 ft/lbs of energy
    158gr bullet x 770 fps = 208 ft/lbs of energy

    .45 ACP
    185gr bullet x 1075 fps = 475 ft/lbs of energy
    230gr bullet x 830 fps = 352 ft/lbs of energy

    00 Buck
    54 gr pellet x 1250 fps = 187 ft/lbs of energy

    So it's fairly clear by the numbers above (provided by Federal Cartridge) that the .45 ACP takes our little competition easily, followed distantly by the .38 Special, and the 00 buck comes in last...

    That is until you think about the fact that with 00 buck there are generally 9 - 15 pellets per shot.
     
  4. Dillinger

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    Well, effectiveness is relative, to be honest.

    If you are shooting a shotgun at a target that is 100 yards away, with buckshot, and you have a barrel of 18" - You probably aren't going to hit a damn thing.

    Now, take that same shotgun, point it across your garage at a bad guy, pull the trigger. Instant hamburger.

    A shotgun is a plain bore tube that has no rifling ( lands and grooves that cause a bullet to spin, and therefor, become more accurate.

    A shotgun makes up for that with two factors: 1) The shot, or beads as you refer to them, are many. They are made of lead and they travel quite fast. They also spread out, so it's like a lot of small projectiles all at once. 2) The shotgun has a choke, which is a device that will limit how much the shotgun pellets will spread out, in distance from the barrel. The tighter the choke, the less pattern spread. Remove the choke and you get more pattern spread.

    Now, as an example:

    A 12 gauge shotgun shell that is rated at 00 Buck ( Double Aught Buckshot ) - there are approximately 9 of these lead pellets. Each one is about 1/3 of an inch in diameter. That is 9 pellets coming at you that are about .33" each.

    Now, you could get a lot more pellets, but they would be smaller, so they wouldn't penetrate as far. That is important when you factor what a shotgun could do to an interior wall, like particle or sheetrock. :eek:

    Here's a 12 gauge versus a poor little cantaloupe.

    [ame="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/799322/12_gauge_shotgun_buckshot_vs_cantaloupe/"]12 Gauge Shotgun (buckshot) Vs Cantaloupe - Video[/ame]

    Now, you can Google a ton more videos on your own. But from an in context standpoint, the shotgun can do a TON of damage, if applied correctly and equipped correcty.

    JD
     
  5. MP1000

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    I know it only holds two at a time, and that doesn't bother me at all. I'll just keep extra's in my pocket. It looks easy to load and unload. The reason i'm looking at the double barrel is because "It's a double barrel shotgun". I've always revered the double barrel as a, well I can't think of the right words, so i'll just say "really cool". Here's a link to the one i'm looking at. Please share any comments you have about this particular gun.

    Marlin Model LC12-DB

    Thanks!
     
  6. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Ummm, 1/3" is .375. I'm just saying. :)
     
  7. MP1000

    MP1000 New Member

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    This is great information i'm getting. Thanks!
     
  8. Dillinger

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    Entry level question..... Do we REALLY have to get out the sliderule and the abaccus??? :cool:
     
  9. zm708

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    what skullcrusher said is correct. A shotgun will do a lot more damage than most handguns. The pellets they fire are lead, not plastic beads. A shell of 00 buckshot fires 9-10 .30 caliber pellets. each of those are about the same diameter of a 9mm. The range on buckshot is a lot longer than you would think too and will easily penetrate interior walls. The way that movies and video games depict shotguns as point blank weapons is very inaccurate. I would not get a double barrel shotgun unless you plan on doing some competition skeet shooting, pump and semi-auto shotguns have much more utility. Hope that helps.
     
  10. davemccarthy707

    davemccarthy707 New Member

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  11. Dgunsmith

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    At close range, a shotgun is devastating. At most distances inside a house, you are delivering 1 oz. of lead....and even with bird shot...there in nothing a doctor can do for the impacted area as shot perforates body parts.

    Beyond 25 yards...switch to rifled slugs....and again deliver 1 oz slug onto the target. With rifles slug barrels, a 200 yard shot on large is not only possible, but deadly ! I sighted in a 870 12ga with a scope and brenneke slugs @ 200 yards...it shot 3 inch groups !
     
  12. skullcrusher

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    I know that 1/3 is equal to .33333333 infinity. But, I do have micrometers, no abacus. Again, I'm just sayin'.
     
  13. Dillinger

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    Have yourself flogged..... I hate you. :cool:
     
  14. Gojubrian

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    I would put a 12guage shotgun head and shoulders above pistols for home defense for many reasons.

    1. Variable loads (buckshot, birdshot, slugs......dimes) :rolleyes:

    2. Widespread shot. At close quarters the spread isn't going to be much at all, but it's still way more that 450 thousandths or especially 9mm.

    3. Intimidation factor. Point a 9mm at someone, then a 12guage...rack the slide. (Don't do this, but get my point)

    4. Reliability. I have never,ever had a pump shotgun malfunction, fail to feed, or jam in any way. With pistols I have had some issues.

    I prefer the pump shotgun myself, but nothing wrong with the shotgun you prefer.

    In short, a shotgun can be completely devastating in the right hands, with the right loads.
     
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  15. skullcrusher

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    *starting the self flogging sequence*

    Hey, that smarts!! :mad:
     
  16. davemccarthy707

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    Shotguns remove body parts. Get hit in the leg with a slug and you are gonna be an amputee.
     
  17. Rex in OTZ

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    Correct tool for the right job

    Ive a cousin (MrB) that is comfortable with rifle or shotgun in the field, he's considerbly more time behind the trigger of a shot gun than rifle from the time we were kids and Ive seen that guy do things while hunting that amazed me with his skill, hitting critters in just the head with a well placed shot we consider him our family's wizzard with a scattergun and we arnt slouches in useing shotguns & hunting .
    he has it down patt where his shot is and what it will do, what a choke will do,ammo selected shot size, low brass vs waterfoul loads, at what at distances the pattern rides at from his muzzle out to the max range he's comfortable with, 1/4 again farther than Im confident with a 12ga, Ive seen his gun cabinet and he has had the same un-opened box of slugs for the last 15 years that was given him by a family friend.
    The only way to know what you can do and how much is to shut off the computer and grab yer gun a couple boxes of shells and head out in the field and do it for real, not just a outing once in awhile but 4-5 boxes spread throughout a week experence leads to confidence through proficcency, ther's so short cut's with a shotgun skill honeing, this is one them things you pay your due's you get out of it what you put in.
     
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  18. Mark F

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    Oh contrare, my friend...

    The only time a shotgun will work is if you have the opportunity to grab it. Unless that shotgun is by your side at all times, you really need to keep a pistol available. I love my Mossy 500, and it's ready to fire at all times. But it sits in a special location waiting... However, my pistol is in my pocket at ALL TIMES.
     
  19. cameronguyton

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    You played Doom II a good bit haven't you?

    Do you want this for home defense or hunting? If for hunting that it probably a very good firearm. Never handled one personally, so I can't tell you for sure. If for home defense, the barrels are to long to be effective. Something in the range of 18.5" to 20" is more suitable.
    I have heard some good things about the Coach Guns from Stoeger.
    Stoeger Double Defense
    or
    Stoeger Coach Gun, 12-Gauge, 20-Gauge, .410, with 3” Chamber
    I've hand my hands on these, but haven't had a chance to fire one. Feels nice. Can't wait till I get one to fire. Hope this helps.
     
  20. lonyaeger

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    Correct, thank you, .375" x 3 = 1.12" But who's counting?