EAA Witness---any good ?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by ladyM, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. ladyM

    ladyM New Member

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    Have used search mode for previous threads=none.
    I have a chance to buy an EAA Witness in 38 Super at a reasonable price.
    It will be used for high round count practice only. The gun is brand new
    and looks and feels good. Its sole use will be for IPSC practice which includes many rounds being put through it. For the price ,if it holds up for a reasonable time period, I can save a lot of money compared to this type of practice with an expensive race gun.
    Big question is, will this particular pistol be up to the assigned task ? Is the quality of this gun such that it will perform well for extended training sessions ?
    The gun is a full size Witness,metal, wonder finish.
     
  2. oldandslow

    oldandslow New Member

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    lady, 3/29/09

    I have some experience with EAA and maybe can offer some input. I bought two new EAA Witness pistols about three years ago, both in .45 caliber. One was the full size, one the compact, both with the Wonder finish. Between the two I had seven frame and slide cracks using standard velocity ammo at round counts in the high 2000 to low 3000 range. I also had corrosion problems with the Wonder finish (more of a pitting type corrosion like happens with stainless steel, not the surface flaking like carbon steel). I had the pistols hard-chromed to solve the rust problems (I live in the tropics so everything corrodes). EAA refused to honor their warranty regarding the cracked slides and frames since I had the pistols hard-chromed.

    If you take a look at the cz forum (CZ Forum - Index) and use the search feature you will see a number of threads dealing with the issue. To be fair though it seems to be mainly a problem with the .45's and 10mm pistols so far.

    Before they broke the pistols were great fun to shoot. If they had lasted longer and if EAA's customer service had been helpful I would recommend them. EAA has the reputation of having the worst customer service in the business. Hope this helps.

    best wishes- oldandslow
     

  3. ladyM

    ladyM New Member

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    Thanks oldandslow----every detail does help. I know nothing about the gun and all input is welcome. Poor customer service is a very poor recommendation for EAA.
     
  4. se3388

    se3388 New Member

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    ladyM

    Better late than never I guess so here goes. I have several of the Witness pistols my first is a 45 ACP full size I bought in the early 90's and I shot it almost every weekend for 3 years, usually about 200 rounds an outing (informal competition) and haven't had one moments problem out of it other than a few things related to reloads. My next one is a full size in 38 Super and it is one sweet shooting gun, I probably only have about 1200 rounds through it total with no problems, it digest any reloads I feed it.
    I have a 40 S&W on the small frame and like it very well with only a few reloaded ammo problems. My favorite in the small frame is my Witness in 357 Sig, the steel frame really soaks up the snappy recoil of the Sig round. I don't shoot the small frame 9mm much as it is not my favorite caliber.
    I guess I must be lucky as I have not had any problems (other than ammo related) out of the 5 Witness pistols I have.
    Go to
    CZ Forum - Index
    and scroll down to the CZ Clone Club and they had all the info you would ever want on the Witness.

    Steve E........
     
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  5. GLI45

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    I've also been very satisfied with my EAA Witness. I hve a Witness Compact with the Wonder finish in 9mm. After well over 1000 rounds it continues to be nothing but reliable. While I don't shoot the compact in competition a fellow competitor has 3 full size Witness pistols and shoots nothing else. I'm confident enough to have on order a Witness Elite Match for my son. I heard less than positive reviews of EAA customer service, but I've never had the need to call on them. Based on my experience they are a good weapon for a very reasonable price.
     
  6. splashtx556ftw

    splashtx556ftw New Member

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    i have a witness 10mm. i love it.talk about power. wow. now lets talk about the nice crack i found sunday on the slide. after only 600-700 rounds. I AM NOT IMPRESSED.
     
  7. Gojubrian

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    Maybe it formed a butt? :D

    I'd be pretty ticked about that really. Have you contacted them?

    They have a new p-carry eaa witness that looks impressive for $420, but if it forms a butt after several hundred rounds...... :eek:
     
  8. splashtx556ftw

    splashtx556ftw New Member

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    yes they said to send it in prepaid and they would '' check'' it out. ive been talking to countless people about the EAA,S. no one is having this problem except 10mm owners. one guy has had 3 slides replaced by them. with last one he took it to a gunsmith, and they put a heavier spring in it and it stopped destroying slides.
    as far as being mad, i wantred to cry.that 10mm is awesome firepower. nothing has more power except a DE-50 or 44 auto mag. in the auto class anyway. and its deadly accurate.:D
     
  9. Skalgar

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    frame cracks

    The only problem with the witness line is that the maker uses too light of a recoil spring. In the larger calibers (IE 10mm) this results in the frame cracks. There are many quality replacement springs available as well as sprinco's recoil reducing guide rod which will not only cure the cracking but make a great gun even better. I researched these guns for about 9 months before buying the 45 steel frame. It often out-shoots custom guns at the range and I have had no stoppages at all. I also replaced the mag springs. The ability to change calibers for only about 200 dollars is just icing on the cake.:p
     
  10. freefall

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    Witness 10 mm frame cracked after 90 rds of mild fodder. I too am underwhelmed.
     
  11. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Well, I'm not going to buy one! Sheesh!! :eek:
     
  12. DWM98

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    Eaa let down

    I am new to firearmstalk so please bare with me. I have done my share of buying different handguns and rifles. Haven't always been able to try them out before I buy. Well here it comes.. I am left handed. It is a little harder for lefties to really even fit most handguns comfortably. I purchased a EAA Witness full size in 45. Loved the way it shot. loved the way it fit. I tend to fire handguns rapidly and use lots of ammo when I first get one. To test them out. It worked beautifully. I also purchased some left hand mausers. Had them customized to calibers and stocks. My gunsmith lost one of my bolts to one of my rifles by a stock maker. EAA imports these mausers now. They even imported a left hand model for an article for a "major" left hand gun writer. We tried to order a left hand bolt from EAA and they would not help us at all. The overseas manufacturer stated if EAA imported it they would send it. As a matter of fact I was treated very rude over the phone with customer support at EAA. The sales department was and is very good. Go figure. At the time I sold all of my EAA handguns. I won't buy an EAA product if I can help it again. I believe Witness pistols are very good and affordable but if you ever have a problem or have to deal with the company GOOD LUCK.
    Just my experience and opinion.
     
  13. mkett39

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    Got the compact .45 in wonder finish and it shoots like a dream..
     
  14. Eric0424

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    ..............
     
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  15. nate

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    Never shot one. Like feel of them and heard alot of good about them. Went to the gun store to buy one and came home with a Ruger SR40.
     
  16. Eric0424

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    A friend of mine bought a new polymer witness in 9mm back in 2006, after 50 rounds of Winchester white box he was going to let the range owner give it a cleaning. When it was field stripped a piece of metal fell out. (first picture below) It was the slide rail off the left side of the front frame insert. After a few "polite" conversion with eaa between the two of us, he just decided to order the part from eaa and I installed it for him. It was less than half the price of sending the gun to them and they were not going to send out a shipping label.

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    When I removed the front insert I found what you see below.

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  17. Don Davis

    Don Davis New Member

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    I bought one and love it.

    The 10 mm are the only one's having problems.

    I bought a 9mm.

    Their customer service has a bad reputation from what I hear, but I've never needed it .

    :cool:
     
  18. Eric0424

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    It's not just the 10mm, the one posted above is a 9mm, this one from Brian's Forums is a Witness Elite Match in 9 mm, there are reports of the 45ACP and the 40 S&W too.

    The only witness chambering I haven't heard or read about cracking is the 38-Super. Here's another 45ACP that crakced back in June. This guy was looking for a carry pistol and decided to try a new CZ Rami, but he had problems with it so he returned it. Then bought the witness compact in 45 just to return it with a cracked slide after very few rounds and only 3 range visits. He didn't specify a round count though.

    Most seem to think it's just the smaller/slimmer new style slides and I can buy that, or the recoil springs being too light. This is also a reasonable theory in my opinion. What ever the reason, it would be nice if tanfoglio could get it fixed. If I or anyone I know were to purchase one now, I would suggest buying a new heavier recoil spring and maybe a recoil buffer before shooting it. It would be some cheap insurance and could help avoid the cracking problem.
     
  19. Don Davis

    Don Davis New Member

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    I've seen most of those posts, but decided it was a very small sample and mostly 10 mm.

    Your advise is sound on the spring, and I'll sure consider it.

    My gunsmith (doesn't sell guns) agrees with me, so I decided to take the chance. :D

    Who knows maybe he was looking for more work ;) :eek:

    :cool:
     
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  20. HKSlinger

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    Customer service? What is this customer service you speak of? Oh yeah,I shoot an H&K. I don't need it.......... Sorry,couldn't help my self.:D