EAA Witness 9mm/22lr combo

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by sweeper22, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    In a couple weeks I plan to add a rimfire pistol. I was leaning toward the Ruger MK3 over the Buckmark, but also considering a GSG 1911 22lr. Then I saw this:

    EAA Witness 9mm/22lr combo, which I can have in hand for $439 after all fees. It comes with two uppers and one mag for each caliber. I'm seriously considering this. My current go-to handguns are a BHP and CZ 75b...and the Witness (being a CZ clone) falls right in line with those.

    Any thoughts on this gun? I'd still like to eventually add a dedicated Ruger target pistol, but this Witness seems like a great fit for the price.
     
  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

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  3. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    I wouldn't mind picking up a Kadet kit at some point. But they sure are spendy. For that price I'd just go with a dedicated rimfire Ruger I think. Something about dropping $350-400 on a rimfire conversion (w/one mag) for a gun I bought new for $409 (2 mags) just doesn't add up to me.
     
  4. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    ^^^ I hear that; the price is the only thing keeping me away from the kadet kit. However, you already have one 9mm almost identical to the one you would be buying from EAA; can you justify picking up another any more than a expensive .22LR conversion kit?

    OUCH! This cat wants $400 for his used kadet kit with four mags & such. not cheap http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=244798281
     
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  5. canebrake

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    Just my opinion but I don't like the idea of shooting dirty 22lr in any of my centerfire pistols.

    Not when a dedicated 22lr pistol like the GSG 1911-22 is had for the near/same cash as a conversion kit!
     
  6. sweeper22

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    I'm not about to take this to the bank, but...based on what I'm reading it seems entirely possible that the Witness kit may actually fit my CZ 75 as well. And the 9mm mags could be interchangeable between the two, which would be a bonus as I have about 6-7 CZmags. Again, pure speculation and 2nd hand internet info. Could be dead wrong.

    But if it did, it'd be a no-brainer to add the Witness 9/22. If I make the purchase or get any clarification on this matter, I'll let you know.
     
  7. orangello

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    Yes, but a 1911-22 is no CZ clone in .22. Some people might not want a firearm designed when their grandmother was in grade school. :p


    Sweet! That would be a "no brainer" indeed! You could even sell the EAA 9 to recover some cost, if you just wanted the kit.

    I did see somebody mention not liking the .22 mags from EAA, plastic construction or something.
     
  8. ZombieKiller83

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    As a owner of the same E.A.A. kit you are looking into, here's my two cents. The 9mm Witness was well worth the price alone! It's a lil on the heavy side but that doesn't bother me. Had a couple malfunctions during break in but those were all gone after 250 rds. The sights are great and mine were spot on out of the box making it a very accurate pistol and 17rd capacity is always nice too ;).
    [​IMG]

    Now for the .22lr conversion. This was the main reason i purchased the kit and i'll be honest if the 9mm was not as good as it was i'd be very disappointed and here's why. The sights were way off, shooting way low and right which was not a big deal due to adjuistable sights. So i zero it and had it shooting fairly accurate. Next range trip they were off again and this time couldn't get it to zero for the life of me and still to this day cant get it to where it was the first day(may be my fault so im not trashing it just telling you my experience). And now to the malfunctions, each time i take it out, i have at least three FTF and 7-8 FTE. Now i have chased this down to being the cheap plastic mag they give you. I've learned that if i load the mag and give the rear of the mag two solid taps in my palm in order to seat the rounds all the way back in the mag, it cuts down on the amount of malfunctions. Also there is no slide lock after last round so keep that in mind too.

    So IMHO if you wouldnt mind another 9mm CZ clone, go for it but if your more focused on the .22lr aspect i'd go for something else. Good luck with your decision :cool:
     
  9. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    ZombieKiller-

    Great info. I appreciate the response. Your post illustrates exactly why I frequent this forum.

    I think I'll be ordering a gun in a week or two, and I'm still considering this package. It's just a lot of shooting options for the money and I continue to hear really good things about EAA Witness. While I already have (and prefer) "the original" CZ 75, it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit to add a clone of this fine specimen.

    Maybe I'll pick up the EAA, with a "dedicated" rimfire horse to follow. What has me thinking is this: If the kit fits my CZ (still undetermined), I could always trade/sell the Witness 9mm down the line and keep the conversion kit. In the end I might have a 22lr kit for almost no cost. Compared to the $350 CZ kadet kit, that ain't too bad.

    Thanks again for taking the time.
     
  10. ZombieKiller83

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    No problem :). If you find the answer to whether CZ mags will fit, shoot me a pm if you remember. Also if you want i can field strip my E.A.A and take a pic if you wanna try and do a comparison and maybe see if the conversion will fit your CZ.

    A CZ-75 is definately on my collection list but i can't seem to find a local dealer that sells em so i settled for the Witness for now :cool:
     
  11. sweeper22

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    I'll let you know. Just by the direction I'm leaning, there's a good chance I'll have an answer toward the end of the month.

    No need for pics of the guts/slide. I've seen those elsewhere, and so far it looks promising but inconclusive. I'm okay if it doesn't end up fitting both guns. One of the guys I see once or twice a month (local gun club/range) has one and we've exchanged CZ for Witness for a mag here or there. The 9mm EAA Witness is good gun in its own right, and probably worth the $439 alone.

    I try to get to the outdoor pistol range 2-3 times a month, as my schedule allows. Each session usually results in about 200+rds 9mm and 100+rds 45acp down range. And sometimes I take the P226 (357sig) out for a spin. Translation: $80-100 each trip. I need to start mixing in a healthy dose of 22lr, and maybe cut that cost in half.
     
  12. ZombieKiller83

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    I hear ya on the cost cutting haha, it wasn't too bad until i threw an AR-15 into the mix then it got real expensive in a hurry! And then to top it all off just picked up a .45 1911 so i'm gonna have to start limiting myself to one gun per range trip.

    Good luck with the search good sir!
     
  13. sweeper22

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    I like the EAA 9/22. At some point I may buy one.
    I also like the Ruger MK3. I suspect I'll own one soon enough.

    But I ordered a 22lr GSG 1911. Went back and forth on this one for a bit.

    I have some really solid pistols (CZ 75b, BHP, Sig P226, XDm45) that I like and handle respectably well . At some point, I'd like a true 1911 45acp to join them. I figured the GSG fit nicely with this progression. It's probably neither as precise as the Ruger nor as applicable to my current roster as the EAA Witness. But it looks to be a solid performer that will launch me toward the world of 1911 (for $100 less than either EAA/Ruger I was considering).

    I will ultimately add the stainless Ruger MKIII I have my eyes on.
    The Witness 9/22 remains a pistol of interest.
    But the GSG 1911 22lr will be joining me at the range in a week or so.
     
  14. canebrake

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    You're going to love the GSG. It will be a good step towards 1911 45ACP ownership.

    I take my GSG every time I go shooting. It has all the good traits; FUN, ACCURATE and CHEAP TO SHOOT!
     
  15. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Thanks Cane. One question: Does it also have an indescriminate appetite when it comes to 22lr ammunition?
     
  16. HOSSFLY

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    Have always felt the same-
    Why bother with the conversion kits when you can have a whole nuther gun for about (or less in some cases) the same money :confused:
     
  17. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Make sure the waitress at Denny's knows you have a 1911-style pistol, she will get you the seniors' discount.
    ;)
     
  18. JonM

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    my sig p220 conversion doesnt gunk up the lower reciever. but the ceiner kit i had did as did the kimber kit.


    im in agreement with cane with the caveat of the sig kit. ruger then gsg would be my choices
     
  19. canebrake

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    I have only shot Winchester and CCI to date. Besides a few Winchester fail-to-fire (they were about 15 years old) I've had ZERO issues to date!

    You are going to love this gun.
     
  20. JonM

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    my gsg eats everything even cycles subsonic ammo. the only stuff that has issues is the remington bulk pack but thats due to dud rounds i typically get 4 out of 100 duds from the remingtons. mine has never jammed.

    gsg reliability is on par with my ruger mk3. my main complaints with the gsg is the cheap injection molded parts very very cheap plastic sights. my first gsg cracked frame inside a couple hundred rounds but was replaced by ati under warranty. they only have a 2 year warranty. price is in the same range as a ruger 22/45.

    unless you want a fullsize 1911 pattern chambered in 22lr get the ruger. just be aware that with the gsg your getting a lot less for the money with a very time limited warranty