E cigarette / vaporizing

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by molonlabexx, Mar 14, 2014.

  1. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    I don't smoke, nor do I plan on it. As many of us know the e cigarette market and vapor market (they call it something new every week) is exploding. I decided to just order a startup kit with some 0mg nicotine and a simple vapor. I think it would be relaxing and a fun hobby to get into. I am new to it and there are a lot of terms and things to it so it will be fun to learn. Looking forward to it as I can't always have a cigar!
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    My wife gave up cigarettes for "vaping" over a year ago. You will upgrade to a nicer set up before long. She has been smoke free since she stated.
     

  3. wknight40

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    I don't believe these have been proven to be good for your health. Nobody really know what your are inhaling. I'm a non-smoker myself and I would not try these just because of the look it presents. I don't care what the advertisements say, these should not be used in a no smoking environment. They "maybe" safer but again what is in them? And it still looks like you are smoking.
     
  4. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    The ingredients in the zero nicotine juices are vegetable glycerin.
     
  5. QueenGlamis

    QueenGlamis New Member

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    My hubby and I both are smokers, I have a few co-workers that "vape". One of them got super sick and the Dr said the moisture was crating bad things in his lungs (worse than smoking ?!?!) so I am still on the fence about it. I will add that I do not smoke in our vehicles, house and when in any area that is public I go way far out of my way not to smoke around other people.
     
  6. big_blue79

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    I actually got my mother to quit smoking using of the Blu E-Cigs and non nicotine cartridges, she'd been smoking since she was 16 and was in her 50's when I got her to quit. Course it also took 3 or 4 Strokes and a couple falls to also finally make her decide to even give up the E-Cig, NOT blaming the E-Cig for anything!

    I have a friend who quit dipping and went to vaping and now that's all he does, I'm like QueenGlamis, I don't buy into anything being any better than cigarettes, cigarette's are bad we've seen that, there HAS to be an inherent risk somewhere, I mean come on, your putting smoke into your lungs even if it is a form of Glycerin, even if it was smoke off of water it still would be bad over time.
     
  7. TLuker

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    I'm a smoker and taking up smoking was probably the stupidest thing I've done in my life. Cigarettes are extreme addictive, they will eventually kill you, they are expensive, and they're just dirty. The smoke gets a yellowish nicotine film over everything in your house and they make your house smell bad. Not to mention all the ashes everywhere.

    My advice is to stay away from cigarettes and everything that even remotely resembles them! Those vapors might not be as bad but I can't imagine them being healthy so why even fool with them? For a smoker trying to quit they might be a temporary aid but other than that just leave them alone. ;)
     
  8. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm a Non-smoker, never tried it, but have breathed second-hand smoke all my life. I don't appreciate the E-cig manufacturers putting it off as a "safe" habit and getting people to start it just because it appears, at the moment, to not cause cancer or emphysema. We do not need any new habits! However, I do believe it is quite useful for helping people to quit the real cancer sticks. FYI, to a non-smoker, the E-cigs are NOT odorless, but it is not as offensive as smoke and dissipates more quickly, giving it a smaller area-of-effect. It also doesn't seem to permeate clothing and skin, avoiding the telltale odor and grey pall, respectively.

    I am hopeful E-cigs will cause more people to quit real cigarettes and also that we will not find out ten years from now that it causes a worse cancer or health problems than the originals. As it stands, they seem to have a net beneficial effect, with their only sin being that some are taking up E-cigs thinking they are 100% safe.
     
  9. WebleyFosbery38

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    No smoking zones, (e cigs arent smoking)? Looks Like (Thats not impeachable)? Proven to be good (And what about twinkies?)?

    I gotta cry foul here wknight. Things arent banned today because they arent proven to be good for you otherwise the only thing left legal would be brussel sprouts and green beans! What things look like is nobodies business but theirs. If what things look like was a problem, Fat people would be banned for being a bad representatives. Are we ready to mandate public appearances really????

    I do smoke cigarettes, wish I didnt but I do and they are still legal last time I checked. Vapor devices arent illegal yet either. Weve got enough issues that do cause people to die and lose rights because of others, maybe we should try to stick with them.
     
  10. John_Deer

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    Academia is saying they know nothing about the chemicals used in making the juice for vaping. From what I understand the chemicals used to make the juice are very common. How can scientists not know if the chemicals are harmful?
     
  11. WebleyFosbery38

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    The manufacturers do know whats in them and likely wouldnt set themselves up for bankruptcy or prison by creating a product that potential will kill you. The funding agents and corporations are big business not little mom and pop Hop Shops. Scientists wont say because of influences they doth not challenge for fear of losing their funding. Like the Global Warming crapicola, you arent getting funded unless your toeing the line on the Party In Powers precepts. If you cut against the grain, nobody is gonna hear a word you have to say.

    As posted by Wknight40, the appearance is what matters not the reality. The World Renowned Liberal Arts University I work for is trying to push through a smoke free campus "For Our Own Good". Most of the "Adult" smokers on campus left are very conscientious about our visual presentation and ensure smoke doesnt enter buildings and such, we even hide in our cars and smoke to avoid the leers and comments. A few idiot Students on the other hand will huddle in doorways and make the rest of us look bad. 2 months ago, they took all the outdoor butt receptacles away so now the kids are throwing their butts on the ground. Thats gonna be another ding on us once spring comes and all the butts are everywhere even though were overall not effecting anyone but ourselves with our smoking.

    The Irony of it all is hundreds of vehicles travel all day long within a few feet of fresh air intakes for almost 50% of our buildings. Stick your face on the ********o of a Chevy Van or 100 and tell me thats OK! Add to that the air exhaust from our Chemical Waste Bunker is all of 10' from my shop window and the Quad and I think how things look with smokers might not be nearly as bad as how things are air quality wise by design of our campus and a Marlboro or two is the least of my concerns! Academic Hypocrisy at its finest.

    Lastly, and I think this could cost me my job if anyone heard me say it. We have a giant wood chip burning boiler that runs 2/3rs of our steam for the campus. It burns a semi trailer or two of wood chips a day, creates hundreds of tons of ash a year and the 80" by 100' stack is belching out some pretty serious toxins within 200' of dormitories and Athletic Facilities. 20+ years ago A Physics Technician buddy of mine actually measured the levels of crap in the ash and exhaust and found highly elevated levels of Radiation and other really nasty carcinogens. He gave his findings to some of the brass and he was told to never speak of this again or he was history. He's not a stupid man and told very few people about it after that warning. He retired after 30+ years as the highest paid "Technician" on the campus.

    How things look at least gives you a warning, its what you dont know that will likely kill you!
     
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  12. TekGreg

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    Pretty simple, actually: No one ever combined those chemicals, applied enough heat to vaporize them, and applied the effects to the human body for 10-50 years. The tobacco industry has seen time and time again that all they have to do is stall the research of effects into the future and then start the "Deny and Evade" campaign of lawyers and scientific "experts." The money to buy both continues to roll in and the companies continue to profit even with payoffs and court costs. As long as a consumable does not kill 100% of the users within the first six months of using it, then the profits will build to cover almost every eventuality.

    People like George Burns have a lifestyle that seem to advocate every habit as not being able to take your life. Since humans rationalize everything they want to do, there will always be one or two examples that seem to be the exception to the rule. But you always have to ask yourself which group you are more likely to fall into, the exception, or the rule. A lot of people died to make up the statistics.
     
  13. eatmydust

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    I'm only interested in "vaping" for investment purposes. With it looking like many more, if not most states, moving toward legalizing marijuana in the next decade, I see THC vamping as a coming wave. I'd like to know from those who do vape here, what brands do you use and what brands do your friends use?

    Remember, during the gold rush of 1849, a few miners got rich but ALL of the shovel sellers made good money.
     
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  14. deg

    deg Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Love honesty – looking for a business partner? :D
     
  15. John_Deer

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    One would hope that science can spot noxious/deadly chemicals without a 50 year study. The reason no one knows is no one wants to know. I am a dumb *** hay farmer. Yet, I have the technology in my barn to heat up a substance to see what chemicals it emits. Universities don't have the same technology as a hay farmer?
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    do you have a degree in chemical engineering? or any degrees in the medical field? or in the past have you served on any medical test studies on what various chemicals can do the human body over a lengthy period of time? do you even have any idea as to the costs of funding such studies?

    sometime mixing two inert chemicals can create a dangerous one. and the effects of some chemicals on the human body may not show up for years, depending on the combination or concentration of those chemicals.

    i say you might want to stick to farming hay.
     
  17. WebleyFosbery38

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    So true! Im in the boonies but 15 minutes away I work in a liberal art U with a huge Natural Sciences Division. We have at least 6 of the most expensive mass spectrometers available in the various departments that can tell you the exact contents of a frogs fart to the point of what the fly it ate regurgitated before it became dinner!

    I redesigned an Acid Rain Collection station for our geology department a couple years ago. Its part of ongoing monitoring of our atmosphere and every class adds data. My redesign worked so well the Prof invited me to the Senior Presentations where the group of students that conducted the study this year presented their findings. It was pretty cool actually, lots of graphs and other stats showing lakes, streams and forests bouncing back. The outcome is that the acid rain levels have been falling every year for a couple decades and have reached a point where the natural lime in our ground neutralizes whats left. I thought that was pretty good news, acid rain has substantially ended!

    Wouldnt you think that would be in the headlines? It doesnt support Al Gores Dead Planet Theory so its not gonna get much notice. Were just starting to get through one of the coldest winters on record and Ive joked with a few of the scientists that global warming doesnt seem to be helping us much this year (Or the last few actually). They get nervous and start spewing "Change, not warming" crap.

    You bet they could tell you but only if someone high on the food chain is paying them to. You dont think they call it "Liberal" Arts for nothing do you?
     
  18. Quentin

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    I agree. As a teenager I chose not to smoke yet have been forced to inhale second-hand smoke for 50 years. I have no interest in e-cigarettes except that I definitely don't want to go through the second-hand "smoke" thing again (or whatever it is) for the last quarter of my life.

    Look at all the hazardous things the FDA and USDA allow for human consumption (read the labels on processed foods), so why would I want to breathe fumes the government says are safe. Oh, yeah Agent Orange was supposed to be safe, too.
     
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  19. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    The chemicals come from plants, glycerin. IDK why people think there are bad things, vape juice with 0 nicotine is flavored syrup...
     
  20. John_Deer

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    I never claimed to be a doctor. I just said I have the capability to spot any dangerous chemicals when the juice is heated. Universities should have the same capabilities to spot dangerous chemicals.

    I don't know if you try to start trouble or you have mental issues that prevent you from realizing the effect of your words. Either way there is medication to help you. I don't have to be a doctor to know that much.