Dry Firing XD 40?

Discussion in 'XD Forum' started by Dnery, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. Dnery

    Dnery New Member

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    Is it okay to dry fire my new pistol every now and then? I did some research on the site and I didn't really get a clear answer.

    I know on some handguns it could ruin the pin. But on some website, it says that dry firing xd 40 is safe.

    The reason I'm asking is because you can't uncock an xd? unless I'm mistaken.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. SGT-MILLER

    SGT-MILLER New Member

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    You won't hurt your XD by dry-firing it. I would keep it to a minimum, though.

    I would recommend getting some dummy rounds (snap caps) to use to give the firing pin something to work against.
     

  3. canebrake

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  4. Dnery

    Dnery New Member

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    Hahaha, nice! I just ordered some from topgunsupply. Thanks for the link!
     
  5. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    On most guns, especially centerfire handguns & rifles, it don't hurt to dry fire them. The Springfield Armory XD is specifically made to dry fire safely. In fact, even though it's not regular dry firing, pulling trigger is part of field stripping process on XDs. The XDM is made so you don't have to pull trigger as part of disassembly process.
     
  6. dnthmn2004

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    Snap caps are fun, especially when you hide them in mags for new shooters to expose their flinch.
     
  7. canebrake

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    Bear, first off I’m not familiar with the springer XD ignition system. You can bet I’m going to study it to understand this new system (reason) that allows dry fire.
    BUT, the engineer in me still has a problem with the whole mass/velocity energy transfer thingie. (thingie is a technical word)
    The intention by design, of the Firing Pin (moving object) is to transfer energy to the primer by strike. Without that primer strike, the FP still needs to release its stored energy. Typically on an empty chamber, this release would occur when the FP spring reaches coil bind. This results in a much more violent “sudden stop” verses the slower release experienced in the ‘crumpling’ of the primer. (This is similar to the crush zone in the front clip of your car. It permits a slow release of energy protecting the driver/passengers [FP] during the crash.) Now we are back to the whole mass/velocity energy transfer thingie. It’s the whole ‘The fall doesn’t kill you; it’s the sudden stop at the end that does!’ The use of the snap cap eliminates this issue.

    I have a second and equally useful application for the snap caps. When at the range I will randomly load 1 or 2 caps in my mags. While shooting, when the benign round rotates up, I get a good idea if my sight picture changes in anticipation of ignition (flinch or muzzle movement) providing great feedback!
     
  8. orangello

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    I really appreciate this post; i only got my XD45 recently & have cringed every time i had to dry fire it just to uncock it. I will still try to keep it to a minimum. thanks
     
  9. Slawth

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    I dry fire the living **** out of my XD45. I'll let ya'll know if/when I have a problem.:D

    Canebrake- the set up is a striker spring as well as a dampening spring so there is some energy absorption...(SK below ).
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    It is a generally OK to dry fire the XD, although I do agree that if you have snap caps, why not use them? There are some reports of excessive dry firing eventually snapping the striker retainer pin, but it is an ongoing argument whether this is only due to dry firing or the combination of repeated dis-assembly, or incorrect removal/install weakening the pin and the dry firing eventually does it in. orangello- you are not going to hurt your gun dry firing it in the manner you mentioned. The pin breakage is usually with guns that get dry fired many thousands of times.

    Carnage (from another XD forum):

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  10. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Thanks slawth, I knew there had to be some system to slow the sudden stop.
     
  11. JohnnyBlk45

    JohnnyBlk45 New Member

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    I'm going to pickup some of those tomorrow.
     
  12. hdog

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    Is it OK to leave the XD cocked in storage, rather than dry firing?
     
  13. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

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    You waited a whole month for a reply so I better make it a good one....


    I don't understand the question. Could you please rephrase it? :D










    I would not store any gun in the cocked position- if you are referring to actually storing it for any extended period it should be locked with a gunlock through the breech or in a gun safe (or both) and I still insert a visual reminder that the barrel is empty.

    If you are referring to leaving it cocked and loaded (ie: for home defense) between practice sessions, you are not going to hurt it. Just choose a storage method that is safe for you and your family should the gun stay in the home while you are not there.

    The dry firing everyone is referring to in this thread is in reference to dry firing for practice/ trigger control- which you should do as often as you can between visits to the range.
     
  14. SFCMayhem

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    that looks nothing like and xd firing pin.

    as a SA certified armorer, dry firing the xd is fine and does dot harm it at all. The striker is held in place with a roll pin, which distribute the little bit of shock, within the pin channel. There is also a spring in front, which prevents hard impact against the breach surface. I will say, if you install and extra power striker/firing pin spring, you may want to find an extra power dampening spring as well. To remove the striker/firing pin spring, you need a roll pin punch, and punch from bottom to top. It is a solid single piece striker/firing pin, with a dampening spring in front. Sure dry firing will wear that spring more than using snap caps, however that spring is rated the same as the striker in terms of replacement interval, and is recommended for gunsmith replacement, but only because the striker is held in place with the roll pin, and when sent in for repairs they declare a warranty void if they find dings from amateur gunsmithing. However if you ever replace or removed your own... DO NOT fully remove the roll pin or you need to replace it with a new one. the hole tapers very slightly as well... so do not remove it completely. just enough to remove the striker...
     
  15. Slawth

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    ...that would be because it is not a firing pin, it is the striker retaining pin as mentioned. In your own words:
    which is correct and also why they can eventually wear out and sometimes fail.
     
  16. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Springfield Manual Opinion on Dry Fire

    Went to check the Springfield manual for the XD pistols. Here is what they say:

    "Before attempting to load this firearm with live
    ammunition, follow the sequence of operations shown
    here without ammunition or with dummy shells.
    By practicing operations without ammunition
    (or with dummy shells), you will become familiar with:
    • Safety features,
    • Trigger control (dry firing),
    • and handling of your firearm.
    As a result you will be a safer, more confident
    shooter when aiming at your first target."

    Looks like the manufacturer approves either with dummy shells or without ammo.

    I'm just a new shooter, so the following is an inexperienced opinion (mine). Having some dummy shells seems useful for checking for flinch or other muzzle movement during live fire. But for dry fire it seems a lot faster and easier to dry fire empty. A set of 5 dummy shells in a magazine gives you 5 chances to scatter the dummy shells around the practice room. Then you get the frustration of reloading the magazine with dummies. If the manufacturer is OK with empty dry fire, seems like it should be no problem.
     
  17. JonM

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    Ya do know this thread is nearly 2.5 years since the last post right??