Driving!!!

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by BeyondTheBox, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    At and beyond year 60 (or, conservatively, retirement age), every citizen ought to be legally mandated to pass the written and physical driving tests, all over again, every time they renew their tags. And the test should be given by a recent grad, not some sympathetic and understanding "veteran".

    My father, a Vietnam vet and, in general, okay man, is a terrible driver 82% of the time. That's being generous. He text messages, answers phone calls (hearing significantly impaired), and, even worse, thinks about other things when driving. He's ten times more dangerous than anyone has ever been while driving drunk, and I know, I've done it SIGNIFICANTLY!

    Swaying, swerving, missing stop signs, forgetting blinkers, leaving blinkers on for miles, switching lanes in middle of intersection, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, you get the point, I'd hope.

    It's part pig-headedness, part self-entitlement (this country's true and only origin) and part self-inflicted ignorance (from age and self-entitlement).

    We all get/have it. It starts at different points in our lives, but 60 is as a good and safe a mark as any to begin to combat it.
     
  2. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    A good idea if ONLY they'd make women stop texting while driving ...worse yet, stop talking! :D
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Being WELL beyond 60, I feel compelled to respond to your post-



    I agree with you. It is my personal feeling that anyone texting while driving should be forced to the curb, removed from the vehicle, and flailed with the Blue Tooth device they are enamored with so greatly. Regardless of age.

    As folks age, vision (ESPECIALLY low light level vision) and hearing will decline. The rate will vary. My vision is still 20-20, but that does not apply to everyone- and it comes on gradually. Periodic retesting would help identify those that are no longer safe to drive.

    HOWEVER- I see a lot more YOUNGER drivers that are horribly unsafe than I do older drivers. How about if we raise the age to get a driver's license?




    To about 35.
     
  4. Car54

    Car54 New Member

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    As a family member you can notify the DMV of your state with your concerns and in most cases they will call the person in for an evaluation which usually includes an on the road test. The report remains confidential.

    Or: do like I did with my Dad. Have a talk with him that his driving is so erratic, explaining all the problems you've seen, and it will eventually hurt or kill someone, and he, nor the family wants that to happen so we are taking the keys for the car. If you need to go someplace, call us and we'll get you there and back.
     
  5. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Im probably going to get a lot of flack for this because most people around here have been told that driving is a privilege their entire lives. But as they have been told wrong, I disagree with you.

    Traveling in a motor vehicle upon the city streets, and highways is a right, and for one to loose the ability to exercise this right due process is required. That and the fact that I know many people who are over the age of 60 and are better drivers than most of the population.
     
  6. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Beyond has a good point…about his Dad. To turn a specific situation into a general law is where we usually get it wrong. Witness Sarah Brady and handguns. It could be said that everyone should be mandated to pass the physical and written tests upon renewal of DL…but imagine the load that would throw on the DMV, which can barely manage to rubber stamp the paper trail it already has to handle.

    Mandating eye tests for everyone renewing their DL is not a bad idea. Changing the driving habits for any specific person is probably not going to happen. Should some (of any age) be taken off the road? No doubt. IMO, It should be on a case-by-case basis.

    Eturnsdale is right. Many, if not most seniors are better drivers than the ADD, texting, cell-phone junkie 18-year old with two screaming kids in the back seat.

    Maybe c3 has a point. Raise the driving age. Or raise the age of having children!

    (disclaimer) I am a senior citizen. My opinion may be influenced by my age. :)
     
  7. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    No one said your driving goes to hell at 60. Just a thought that it's a good age to start retesting individuals to make sure it is still safe for them to drive. I personally see nothing wrong with taking their driving privileges if they can't pass a driving test. The dangers of impaired driving are well known, and their onset with age is well documented. And yes, it is a privilege and not right, and I'll explain why. First, cars weren't around when the constitution was written, therefore, they, and the massive roadway systems we have now, never could have been anticipated. WE as People allowed their usage to be regulated because of this fact. You have the right to travel all you want, as many sovereigns like to tout, "I am but a man, traveling upon the land". But driving a car is not a right.

    Edit: driving a car on a public roadway is not a right. Because we have allowed it to be regulated. We have forfeited it.

    However, your can buy a car and drive it around on your own land all you want.

    My granddad gave up driving on his own. He was driving just fine. But one day his difib zapped him, and he realized there was no way he should be behind the wheel anymore (he was getting out of the car in his drive way when it happened).
     
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  8. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Obviously I can not speak for every state in the union. But I have had to do an eye test every time Ive renewed my license. And I have had licenses in several different states.
     
  9. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Here's my experience with this. As everyone knows by now, my Father suffered a stroke several years ago at around the age of 73. His left side was affected and he has been declining every since. About 3 years ago he had to renew his driver's license and he went in to do so. Mind you, at that time, he was walking with a cane and very obviously physically impaired. I was thrilled he was going to have to test because I was sure they would remove his driving privileges which would have been the right thing to do. He comes back laughing and saying they passed him. I was ticked beyond belief. I believe it was truly a case of the tester feeling sorry for an old man. To this day, my Father holds a valid driver's license. It takes us 5 minutes to get him in the car as a passenger at this point. The only thing that makes this okay with me is that he doesn't drive, he is perfectly okay to let someone drive for him.

    'The rest of the story' is he has never been a safe driver. I can't tell you how many times I was a passenger in the car as he was driving and he'd pull a U turn just anywhere. When I'd scold him for it he would say (seriously), "No one wants to get in an accident. The other drivers will do whatever they can to avoid hitting me." What a selfish and ignorant attitude!! Some of you may also remember me saying my Father and I haven't always been close. :mad:
     
  10. tri70

    tri70 New Member

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    I worry more about young drivers 16-25 than I do old drivers, txt, music, hot rodding, they suck too!
     
  11. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Beyond has a good point…about his Dad. To turn a specific situation into a general law is where we usually get it wrong. Witness Sarah Brady and handguns. It could be said that everyone should be mandated to pass the physical and written tests upon renewal of DL…but imagine the load that would throw on the DMV, which can barely manage to rubber stamp the paper trail it already has to handle.

    Mandating eye tests for everyone renewing their DL is not a bad idea. Changing the driving habits for any specific person is probably not gong to happen. Should some (of any age) be taken off the road? No doubt. It should be on a case-by-case basis.

    Eturnsdale is right. Many, if not most seniors are better drivers than the ADD, texting, cell-phone junkie 18-year old with two screaming kids in the back seat.

    Maybe c3 has a point. Raise the driving age. Or raise the age of having children!

    (disclaimer) I am a senior citizen. My opinion may be influenced by my age. :)
     
  12. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    WOC, driving rights not privileges.

    He does seem to be one that should have had them removed. But like all things government,,,,,
     
  13. levelcross

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    An age limit for retesting I can see, but denial of license should be on a case by case basis.

    We had to take my dad's license several years before he passed away, it was the hardest thing to do to him as he felt betrayed by his family. He never drove good to start with, but his mental health was on a rapid decline, he would forget where he was and how to get home. He didn't give me any grief about taking his license at first but after a year or so I gave him an old expired one to keep in his wallet and that seemed to keep him happy even thou he didn't have a car anymore.

    Now I feel that several teens and young adults should have to be tested over again also, I was hit going down a straight part of the highway last year running 70+ by a teen texting, he tried to tell the cop that he fell asleep at 3:30 in the afternoon. The cop asked for his cell phone and checked the text messages and times and started writing a ticket.
     
  14. Zombiegirl

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    When my Grandpa was 75 he was nervous about driving so he decided not to do it anymore. I know that my night vision sucks so if it's raining or snowing at night I am extra careful when driving. When I'm older, I probably won't drive at night.
     
  15. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I apologize for the double post. Something came up here at the house that required my immediate attention.
    I also forgot to make clear that I was being facetious by suggesting the driving age should be raised or that childbirth be delayed by law. The point I was trying to make was that specific problems shouldn't be addressed by enacting more laws that impact on those of us who are not guilty of the infractions or offenses.

    To address the eye-test statement, at 73 years of age I renewed my drivers' license over the internet here in Mississippi. However, I do understand that next time, in 2014, I will have to appear at the DMV for an eye test.
     
  16. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Interesting. Id never heard of that before.
     
  17. Doc3402

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    I strongly disagree with you. I don't think there should be any age restrictions placed at all. I think everyone from the time they first start driving until the state takes the privilege away should have to pass written, practical, and eye exams every 4 years at a minimum!

    I also firmly believe that every state should have annual automobile inspections in order to remove unsafe vehicles from the road.
     
  18. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Define unsafe.

    And traveling by automobile is not a privilege. Get that out of your head right now.

    "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

    "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

    We can go on with other cases that have set precedence if you like.
     
  19. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Define unsafe.

    And traveling by automobile is not a privilege. Get that out of your head right now.

    "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

    "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

    We can go on with other cases that have set precedence if you like.
     
  20. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Use all the cases you want. Until the people take their rights, it's not a right. Just because someone says it is, doesn't mean squat.

    What happens when a sports team doesn't show up to a game? The same thing that happens when the people don't take possession of their rights. FORFEIT.

    If you allow it to be taken, then you don't have it. Our people as a whole have allowed it to be taken.