Dream AR-10

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Gloves, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    Looking to build a dream AR-10 sniper!
    No idea what companies to look at.

    • Will need Lower (With CA Bullet button :mad:)
    • 20" to 24" barrel
    • Gas piston system
    • 10 round mags (Thanks CA)
    • Awesome Bi-pods
    • Floating barrel yet full rail system (can't have too many rails on this one)
    • Collapsible butt-stock

    Would like it to be in FDE or some cammo finish.
    I am on a waiting list for a SCAR-17 but I think we can build an AR-10 just as nice for half of $3,000 !!!

    Will decide on a scope later.
     
  2. dog2000tj

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    Start here - Custom AR10 Rifles Accuracy Systems Gunsmith Gunsmithing AR 10

    see highlighted areas -
     
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  3. mjkeat

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    18" is the ideal length for .308. Look into a Noveske barrel.

    You can have whatever you end up w/ hydro dipped so color shouldnt be a huge deal breaker.

    UBR or PRS would make a great stock.

    Troy, Centurian Arms or DD rails are the best. And I agree on skipping the rails at 3 and 9 oclock.

    Bipod - Harris w/ built in mount from Larue Tactical.
     
  4. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    Dog2000 it looks like i need to move... some place outside of CA... =)

    The first thing i need to start with is the lower to get my FFA or DROS or whatever it's called started. (10 day waiting period) thanks CA!!! (again)

    It doesn't look like SPIKES has an AR-10 lower...
    I just need to name some brands to get my FFL dealer started.
    RRA won't give a warranty on an AR-10 lower in CA (thanks again CA) and
    now I'm all out of brands that I know.
     
  5. Mandy

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    Go to the Armalite site and see what they got................
     
  6. Dillinger

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    Oh Brother!!! :confused:

    There is OH SO MUCH to learn about this platform before you go shedding that kind of lettuce. :eek:

    If you buy the SCAR-17 expecting a "sniper quality rifle" I am afraid I am going to have to put you in time out as you have blown over a month's pay for a lot of members on this forum and you made a HUGE mistake. :eek:

    I need you to define the following for me so that we can help you:

    Precision -

    Accuracy -

    Sniper Caliber Rifle -

    Shiny Kit Syndrome -

    With those answers, we can help.

    JD
     
  7. ktmboyz

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    You want to do some homework before you start buying parts.. I started to research a AR-10 build and was finding a lot of proprietary parts and seemed to be mostly with Armalite.. not sure how much but I didnt want to shell out money and be stuck with parts I couldnt use.
     
  8. dog2000tj

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    In the AR10 rifle you will have 2 ways to go - Armalite or DPMS. They are proprietary and not compatible like AR15's. Here's a few AR10 receiver sets to get you started,

    Mega Arms - great stuff and a great price for the quality - Mega Arms :: Component Catalog

    JD Machine - again, very good stuff - JD Machine Tech, Inc. - San Diego, CA

    Iron Ridge - very, very good stuff but very, very pricey - IRA-X-Rifle-System - The Premier Class II & III Gunsmith for LEO and Civilians - Transfers, Machining and Coating

    There are a host of others that make AR10 lowers but those are three in a broad spectrum of price. More and more manufacturers are getting on board with AR10 components but it's not like shopping around and getting and AR15 for $750. You are looking at $1200+ easy for a decent MOA rifle. Kick it into the $2k + range and you will have an excellent rifle. After that it precision/accuracy would most likely depend on ammo quality, optics and the shooters ability and dedication to practice.
     
  9. Gloves

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    Thanks JD! I am looking forward to you help! me needz it!

    I know i shouldn't be looking at finishes yet:
    https://762precision.wordpress.com/
    I know i shouldn't be looking at upper yet: ... (oh wait maybe)
    Fulton Armory | FAR-308 Complete Uppers - hows about these?
     
  10. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    It looks like Spike's does make a .308 lower...
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoB6b-BpWn0]YouTube - ‪Spikes Tactical ShotShow 2011‬‏[/ame]

    AWESOME....

    .308 billet lower set
    with ambi billet release and
    made by Glen Segans??? who or what now?
     
  11. mjkeat

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    Proprietary is a scary word. If they stop making them for whatever reason and your's has a problem you're screwed. Although I like Spikes the owner has a bad reputation for being shady (outright lying to customers about his products) in the very recent past. So to me the company is still not on firm ground. They did come around and present proof supporting his claims but not for the time frame he was originally stating.

    Billet, if you really like it go for it. I have a billet matched upper and lower on a build. I will say I prefer forged because they aren't as thick and are lighter.

    Theres not a problem w/ looking at finishes already. The further out you plan the more complete a project will be. If you start just figuring things out as you go the end product will reflect it. Ive been dreaming about going Multi-Cam on an AR forever. I just cant see parting w/ $400 on hydro dip over an optic or new upper/lower.
     
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  12. dog2000tj

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    as noted earlier RRA, Armalite, DPMS, Mega Arms, JD Machine and Iron Ridge all make AR10 lower receivers. Here are some more;

    POF
    Aero Precision
    CMMG
    LWRC
    LMT

    Remember about the 2 proprietary set ups -Armalite or DPMS (not interchangeable).
     
  13. Gloves

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    Billet - what exactly does that mean? I have a Mustang and I don't know exactly what it means. It's not a brand, billet is a type or shape of formed metal?
     
  14. Mandy

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    Billet is a form of shaping metal:

    You grab a solid block (billet) and mill it until you get the desired shape.

    Forge is when you hammer the metal into shape, usually temperature comes into play.

    Stamping is when you bend a plate into shape using dies.
     
  15. Gloves

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    Wow... I fell like I've been let in on a big secret. Thanks!

    OK, I finally found what I wanted to model this after...

    M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Army Sharpshooters to Get SEAL Sniper Rifle

    What are the differences between a standard AR-10 and the M110 / SASS?
    - Built in silencer (don't need/can't get/would like to have)
    - Fixed butt-stock (will be getting 6-position)

    Other than that, it seems like a standard AR-10 with specific name-brand attachments.

    AND!!! What is the difference between M110 and the SR-25?

    They look the same yet one replaced the other.

    Why is this so difficult?
     
  16. mjkeat

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    The m110 is more of a precision rifle while the SR-25 id more of a battle rifle.

    Some lowers will except PMags the others won't. The DPMS styled lowers will except PMags.
     
  17. Dillinger

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    Okay Gloves, it looks like your education is coming along just fine at the hands of the good AR minds here, but let me add a little wisdom for your reading.

    The AR-10 platform is not like the AR-15 platform. There are two trees currently waging battle to be the "definitive" platform for the future.

    Armalite and DPMS are the current big names and they DO NOT play well together.

    Remember Beta Video Tapes?? Not many people do, but at the time they were thought to be better quality than VHS. Remember DAT? Digital Audio Tape was supposed to be better than CD's because the common man could record on them.

    VHS and CD's are here today; Beta and DAT have gone the way of the Dodo.

    That is where we find ourselves at the moment. Choose the wrong platform and years from now you might be having some "issues" finding parts.

    Buying a "name brand" receiver (Billet, Forged or otherwise ) is still going to be based on one of those two platforms, except for KAC and their SR-25 which I think is their own take as well, but it's a much smaller market.

    So, let that sink in a bit and do a little research, then we can talk about configuration and why you DON'T want a piston driven system on a "sniper quality weapon system".

    JD
     
  18. Gloves

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    DPMS vs Armalite...

    Laser Discs vs DVDs
    HDDVDs vs Bluray

    I'm getting the picture... I do think right now the DPMS is going to be
    the way to go for me. I haven't fully decided yet but just finished reading
    various threads and websites. I had no idea that the 2 are incompatible.

    It seems the easy way to tell is a 45° vs a rounded back. It also sounds like Armalight always announces that they are Armalight and the ones that don't mention either are generally DPMS?

    It sounds like Armalight is more of a Ferrari and DPMS is more of a Ford Mustang.

    - While the Ferrari is guaranteed high performance, it's expensive and parts are rare.
    - The Ford Mustang gives a lot of power for the buck and everyone makes parts for it.


    Instead of searching for "AR-10" stuff i should be searching for "DPMS" ?

    - - - - - -

    That is what i'm looking for! Panther™ LRT-SASS

    This is awesome: SureFire Muzzle Break
     
  19. Dillinger

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    You are getting the hang of it and doing some good reading.

    Armalite will probably always be around. They have a long history and good backing.

    DPMS definitely has a wider customer base as their products are "cheaper" but still good quality.

    DPMS compatible won't steer you wrong, most likely, but they have to win the war on platform specs, or be able to withstand the test of time.

    Now, as for the lower and upper receiver. You DON'T need a Billet lower or upper to build an accurate weapon.

    While it stands to reason that a solid billet receiver, especially on the upper, is going to be a more solid launch platform, the real dynamics of the platform are grounded in how the upper and lower match up and the rest of your components.

    Don't get caught up in the names on the receivers, what you need to start with is getting a good, solid, upper and lower that mates up nice and tight and doesn't have any slop to it.