DPMS

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by andlar, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. andlar

    andlar New Member

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    Hats everybody's thought on dpms panther arms? I recently received a light 16. Seems pretty accurate with a 1x magnification aim point at 200yrds...only problem i have found is have to keep very well oiled for rapid fire or it jams..plus anybody know why u can't use steel casing rounds?
     
  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I only have one DPMS.

    It's the LR-308-AP4.

    (Basically, the M-4 version of their 7.62X51)

    It's a truly superb rifle, MOA accurate with ball ammo, utterly reliable, and onlt 3/4 lb heavier than the 5.56X45 version.

    Some folks here have had less than satisfactory experience with DPMS. Consider their opinions as well as mine before deciding. My limited personal experience with DPMS has been very good.
     

  3. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Is it .223 or 5.56? If its not rated for 5.56 the increased pressures of mil-surp ammo could potentially cause catastrophic failure.
     
  4. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    One of my shooting buddies has a DPMS panther in 5.56. It has served his plinking needs just fine, but it doesn't like wolf/steel-cased ammo either. From the DPMS complaints i've read, it appears that when people who into Colts and Daniel Defense other higher end/big name AR's, it appears that the more "entry level" rifles like DPMS pale by comparison a bit in the polish/fit & finish department. That is just my opinion; i may misunderstand the anti-DPMS comments.
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It's 7.62X51
     
  6. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    Ive heard that too about the DPMS rifles...my century arms A2 will digest anything in the mag, steel or brass cases.
     
  7. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    i have a dpms a15 and i shoot both brass and steel ammo and have yet to have a problem.
     
  8. Todd_

    Todd_ New Member

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    DPMS is sort of like playing the lottery. Their quality control just isn't that great, so there is a chance you will get a rifle that functions great, is very accurate, and can eat any ammo.

    But there is also a pretty sizable chance that you will get one that has manufacturing defects or loose tolerances that can cause problems such as repeated FTF or FTE malfunctions, poor finish, upper/lower slop, or a number of other issues.

    I'm not well versed on the DPMS line atm, I forgot most of the things I learned about them when I did the research for my first rifle, but I believe they also use some lower quality components. How much worse will 4140 steel be than 4150, I can't say, but it is a softer steel.

    Both things listen above are the reasons why people bash DPMS so much. It's totally possible to get a good rifle from them that functions well and performs great, but it's the chance that you won't that turns so many off... And the chance is far greater with DPMS than with the higher end companies like BCM or Daniel Defense.

    And before anyone goes off on my statements as being just "word of mouth" and not fact, those are just PERSONAL observations. They produce a lot of rifles, so there is a higher chance for us to see bad rifles from them due to the higher quantity on the market, but the complaints definitely don't seem proportional... It seems you will read about 50 issues with DPMS for every one from Colt/DD/BCM/Noveske and even Spikes and PSA combined.
     
  9. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    I concur with this statement, my DPMS shoots both brass and steel case ammo without any problems.
     
  10. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Mine shoots both.
     
  11. wjnfirearms

    wjnfirearms New Member

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    I have a Sportical modified to tactical. I've fed numerous types of ammo without issue. It also operates my CMMG .22 bolt conversion very well. No complaints here.
     
  12. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    It doesn't function properly because some suit is cutting cost to increase his bonus. The one and only thing that company is concerned about. Quality? What's that? Money? Find me some more regardless of the corners we have to cut because the majority of our customers will never notice the rifles shortcomings.
     
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  13. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Was it the model with the classic-look triangular handguard, 20" barrel, etc.? It looked like the vietnam-era M16's issued? If i remember correctly, weren't those rebarreled colt's?
     
  14. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    if there not noticing the shotcomings then how do we know there threir,what i mean is the gun does what i bought it for it shoots bullets down range without a problem now if i were in the military or law enforcemant or even a compition shooter then maybe i would worry about it but as of right now it performs just fine for going to the range and hunting coyotes and other varmints.
     
  15. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Mike, no disrespect intended, but do you have a reason for believing that, or are you just bitter against "suits?":confused:
     
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  16. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    That's awesome. It's a great feeling to know your AR will do whatever you ask of it. Knowing what you need is good.

    The issue w/ DPMS is they don't always measure up to others is their price range.
    They are known to avoid certain questions and comparisons to other manufacturers. Kind of a sign to most.
     
  17. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    so then i take it you had a bad run with dpms.
     
  18. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    I love suits and look good in them ;).

    I believe it because it's true of any large corporation. Nothing against capitalism as I think it drives success. But when you lie, hide, divert, and avoid questions in an attempt to maintain some sort of existence it's an integrity issue.

    It's probably not the employees as I'm sure they would rather put together a high quality product then waste their day assembling junk. I personally wouldn't want to be part of the DPMS name. It would be similar to the year I managed a car wash for a family of gypsies. I would avoid the "what do you do" conversation. I fought to make them stop ripping off customers but they wouldn't. I quit.
     
  19. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    No, I was smart enough to do some research before purchasing my first AR.
     
  20. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    my wife has a dpms panther m4gery. it shot fine out of the box but since the first range trip i completely disassembled it stem to stern put it back together staked the castle nut on the stock, replaced the bcg with a chromed bcg from rra, torqued everything down to milspec.

    the only reason i replaced the bcg was for ease of cleaning.

    out of the box i didnt trust it enough for home defense now that im sure everything is right i feel comfy with it. my wife being able to shoulder it and fire it is why its our hd rifle, she knows how to work it.

    i would prolly say skip dpms as there are better guns close enough in price.

    ive got better ar15's but if its stolen or taken by the police for "evidence" (the county i live in has a long history of not returning firearms used for legal self defense) if we ever have to use it we arent out a lot of money. for a gun that doesnt get shot a lot and is good enough for at least a few rounds in a hd situation its a perfect rifle. we prolly got 650$ in it including the new bcg.
     
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