Doublestar any good?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by supergus, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. supergus

    supergus New Member

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    Guys,
    I've been waiting for a DPMS Bull Twenty 20" for 5 months and I'm getting impatient.:mad: A local gun shop has a Doublestar Super Match 24" rifle in stock for $1,200 + tax/fees. Anybody have any experience with or knowledge of Doublestar's quality? Please respond quickly; I'm headed there tomorrow if it seems to be a good deal. Thanks.
     
  2. Dillinger

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    Full build? I would pass on that, especially at that price Gus. That's gouging right there.

    For a receiver, upper & lower, they can be made to work just fine, but that is a lot of money for what isn't a lot of quality parts.

    For what it's worth - if you can get a run down of the parts they used, it might be worth the dough, but I would expect a good internal parts kit, a real good barrel and some swag to go with it ( mags, a drag/carry bag / something...)

    JD
     

  3. supergus

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    How about a Bushmaster 20" for $1,200? Both have free floating hand guards,two stage match trigger. Last year I would never have paid over 1k for a heavy barrel AR style, but obviously supply and demand has done it's job; and I don't have a problem with that. But I want to get the best quality I can. I also don't think I'm ready to build one from the ground up. I think I need to have an AR and learn my way around one before I build one.
     
  4. dog2000tj

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    Why so impatient? Is the DPMS ordered or are you just waiting for one to show up at the shop?

    I got my DPMS AR10 for that price plus $40 for the transfer. It may be a bit much but it was in stock so I had no wait. As for the AR-15 we who came to the table late are paying more but it doesn't have to be that much more. I am in the ballpark of $950 on both my 5.56 and .458. Although I'll be waiting until June/July before parts start coming in. :(

    I'd listen to Dillinger - be patient, shop around online, get the parts yourself, assemble it and if you don't feel comfortable then take it to a shop to get checked. Good luck.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    Bushmaster built? Or Bushmaster parts assembled by someone else?

    2 stage match trigger is good. Free floated hand guard is good, but who makes it? Who makes the barrel? Optics? BUIS?

    JD
     
  6. Dillinger

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  7. supergus

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    Why so impatient? Are you kiddin'?! I ordered it 5 months ago from my gun shop. But even then DPMS was getting backlogged. The gun shop just ordered "x" amount of bull barrel 20" guns. I emailed DPMS a month or so ago and they said they were 90,000 guns backlogged. My gun shop just gets phone calls from distributors who say " we have x number of whatever...do you want 'em?" The gun shop says "send me what you have" So it could be a week or it could be two more months. Since the gun isn't ordered in my name(it's first come first serve), if any AWB goes through I won't be grandfathered in so I really want it soon. I know the price will be more than the original quote ($970) most likely over 1k, why not buy one now and have it in my itchy little fingers tomorrow? And I really don't trust myself to buy the correct, high quality parts to build one:(
    JD, it is Bushmaster built from the factory: flat top, aluminum free floating handguard,20" heavy barrel, no sights, but I have a scope/rings.
     
  8. Dillinger

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    Okay, 1) - That is what I am here for. We're friends? No? You think I would steer you wrong?


    You're good to go if it's straight from Bushmaster. It's over-priced, but the market is what it is right now. If you are comfortable with it, you should be fine.

    BUT

    Check these two things for me:

    1) what is the rifling in the barrel? What twist rate?

    2) What is the chamber cut for? Civilian .223 and Military 5.56 are different chambers. You want the 5.56 Nato for SHTF scenarios...

    JD
     
  9. supergus

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    JD,
    1) yep, friends we are:)
    2) I trust your opinion and input.
    Here is the Bushmaster:
    Bushmaster - Product Catalog - Hunting Rifles
     
  10. Dillinger

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    It's not perfect for SHTF end of the world application, but it's plenty fine for most applications you would come across Gus. At $1200, I still think it's a bit high, but that is what the market will bear right now.

    It will shoot the lighter NATO rounds ( 55 grain ) and the 1:8 twist will also shoot the heavier grain stuff for hunting bullets.

    Don't plan on dropping much below the 55 grain stuff though with that barrel twist

    JD
     
  11. supergus

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    I like the props Jeepcreep gave 'em. JD, if it's not too much trouble, could you make a list of all the components I would need.? So far I can think of:
    1. Lower
    2. Upper/stock
    3. Trigger assembly
    4. Barrel
    5. Bolt/bolt carrier
    6. Pin kit
    I'm more concerned with my ability to pick quality parts than anything else. Are all of the components drop in?
     
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  12. Dillinger

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    1. Lower - Any lower will do as long as it's not cast. You want a milled receiver, not some piece of Chinese cast pot metal. All lowers are pretty much the same except for Colt ( where's Canebreak?? ) who made a bunch with large pin Take Down and Pivot Pins, so you need a Colt upper to go with a Colt Lower...

    2. Upper - Can buy any upper receiver, or you can buy a complete upper and slap it on. For a first timer, buying a complete upper is easier, but junho came in with NO KNOWLEDGE of the platform and built his from the ground up on his own and it works just fine. If you can get a matching upper and lower, that is great, but it's not neccesary in this day and age of CNC machining and tighter tolerances...

    2a. Stock - Depends on what you want. A standard A2 fixed stock is solid and cheap. A CTR collapsible is a great piece of kit that gives you 6 positions for multiple activities, but costs quite a bit more. There are about 60 options inbetween the two, all of which you can install quite easily...

    3. Trigger assembly - Depends on what you want the gun to do. If you want a longer range shooter, then a two stage is prefered. IF you want a CQB gun, a single stage trigger will do you just fine. Lots of options, we can discuss needs and availability on this one later on...

    4. Barrel - Dpends on what you want to build. Definitely the hardest to get parts right now. No one is just selling AR barrels, they are selling complete uppers, or complete guns. However, there are sources for barrels can be had that have less wait time than 5 months...

    5. Bolt/bolt carrier - Don't believe the hype. You DO NOT need a Ti bolt and carrier. Nor do you need a $500 Lobster claw built bolt extractor on a custom CNC turned bolt. Standard bolt and carrier is good, there are a couple of others that are a bit better, but again, it depends on the type of activity you want to go for. There are lots of options out there for Bolt and Carrier....

    6. Pin kit - I think you mean Lower Parts Kit. Any Lower Parts kit will work, but a kit from Brownells will have everything you need, and the only thing I would change would be the handle. I really like the MIAD grips, but they are a bit more expensive.

    You're a Jeep Guy, you can't possibly WANT to buy someone else's work, it's in your damn DNA to put sh!t together yourself... LOL

    JD
     
  13. supergus

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    Ain't that the truth! To be honest, had I known a complete gun would've taken so long I would have built one from the get go. You've got me feeling better about things; I'm headed to the gun shop and if he can't give me a definite ETA, I'm gonna start shopping for parts.:D Be forwarned though JD, you may be slammed with PM's from me over the next couple of months.:eek:
     
  14. Dillinger

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    That's funny how you assume that I am already NOT inundated with PM's about AR builds... LOL

    Seriously, the lower, will be a piece of cake for you. And then you will be asking me why I didn't push you into building one earlier... LOL

    JD