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Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Crazvet, Jul 11, 2013.
I'm in love w the Para double stack wondering how they stack up to the rest?(pun intended lol)
The hi-cap Para has been around for a couple of decades.
I am not a fan of the Series-80 like setup, but most Para owners seem pleased.
(Hint, Have you noticed how few Para complaints there are in this forum?)
Thx, I don't mind the 80 series as this will be my first 1911. I've had the fever for quite awhile but w money tight I had to justify another .45. This will be my home defense and travel gun(plus I'll have my XDs). I have large hands and love the feel of the double stack!
My opinion is I wouldn't own a para if you gave it to me. Not a fan of them at all. Maybe they are better now that they have moved into the U.S. Bought 2 and will never own another.
Is it quality or service you had problems with? Also very interested in a used one, anything to stay away from?
Tough looking gun
I own two para Ord pistols and have shot several others. I think the two great testaments to their quality is:
1: You rarely hear anyone complain about them.
2: You don't see them for sale used a whole lot..
One of the ones I have is a double stack P14. I's one of the older made in the great white north pistols that come in the little plastic boxes. I reallyt have no idea how manyh rounds have been through it but it is a lot. I've had it long enough to go through few of my runs of reloaded 40 and I don't make them much so when I do I make a whole lot of them. It's at least 5K-8K rounds and I got mine used. It's never failed to work properly and it very accurate.
The other is a LTC that I got to carry. It's more like a commander length pistol and not a double stack. Being it is a carry gun I practice with it a great deal. So again it's had a lot of ammo sent though it. I hear often how those LTC with alloy frames can't take the abuse. I have to say I have proven that wrong.
I have a friend that I shoot wit ha lot that has the Companion, Tac-Four, and a P16. None have ever had a problem, I really want one of those Companions!
Those Hawgs are are pretty nice too. I got to shoot one of those a while back. The Tac-Four was pretty heavy for something that was made for carry. Imagine a double stack commander 1911 and you get the idea. It was a great shooter though. I really like the LDA triggers. It has to be the lightest DA I have shot.
Bottom kine is I have yet to see any of the problems from the older or newer guns made by para. I don't want to be one of those "Well I got X so everyone needs one" guys." I will say find some way to shoot one and you will know then.
My wife bought one used, a single-stack LDA CCW .45, uses officer mags. She fired it at a range session and immediately had an IWB holster made - it's now her EDC. She would buy more used if any were available! Both of us are completely happy with the gun and the company. I haven't spoken to one Para owner that didn't love it. One caveat is that the double- and single-stack feel completely different from each other, both to shoot and carry. Try both, borrow or rent, if at all possible.
Had a P-14xxx and it started jamming up some. FTE, FTRTB, and called Para. They told me to run more ammo through it and since is was a discontinued model to get back to them. RIGHT, like I was gonna do that. Traded it away for a SS SA GI and loved it. Bought a Para expert and the finish though looking good started coming off (flaking) in a couple of months. Sold it to a friends brother and last I heard it was jamming on him.
That is so strange, both problems, actually. To be truthful, I have never owned a plated Para, but plating can even fail on S&Ws, depending on a huge number of factors. The FTE and FTRTB are more disturbing. How many different brands and types of ammo did you try? I imagine that was what Para was referring to - finding ammo better suited to the gun, as some people unknowingly use out-of-spec ammo. My P-14 choked down everything I fed, and that must've been a dozen brands and weights.
You might want to consider STI as an option. When I got my first double stack about 6 yrs ago I looked at a Para and an STI. I ended up going with an STI Eagle because it wasn't as heavy, the grip felt much better in my hand, and the overall fit was a step up. I'm not saying Para isn't a good gun, this was just my take on the two pistols I was comparing at the time. A the time the Para was less expensive. I don't know what Para pricing is these days, but I can tell you (because I own several) the STI 2011s are not inexpensive. I have 2 Eagles, an Edge, and a Tactical from STI and they run from $1800 to $2400 depending on the options I've selected.
The Para I want is the tactical double stack w night sights and it runs $1,200 that's higher then i was planning to pay for my first 1911 but having twice as many rounds justifies the extra cost. For my first 1911 function is my #1 concern.
Never known a Para to jam. Those ramped barrels usually have no problems what so ever. My paras eat anything. Even the dreaded flying ashtrays.
Had a P-18 that of all the 1911 style guns i've gone thru i regret letting it go most
I have a SS P-10 it handles everything from 165 gr. to 230 gr. I took it out back last weekend and ran a few mags of 185 gr. hp it ran 100%
It is a bit of a handful in rapid fire however you just have to hang on tight!
I had a P10-45. It was stainless. I had some jamming issues. But now that I am more knowledgeable I realize the mag springs were probably worn out. I bought it used. And it was really used a lot. I wish I had known to try new springs. I traded it off.
I fire my XDs w just my left hand(weak side) rapid fire so a fullsize double stack should have less felt recoil. Can't help but think double fisted (both guns) firing is gonna be so much fun!!!!
Para's are good pistols, I own one and have put thousands of rounds through it with no issues. They should get more love, good pistols.
That's what I was thinking, I love the 1911 but a regular one would almost be a copy of the capabilities of my little XDs, my budget won't allow for that or I'd have a bobtail Ed Brown
Don't forget the used area.
There are deals out there, but make sure that you have a gunsmith check it over.