Does Federal Champion always look dirty with imperfections?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by ObsceneJesster, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. ObsceneJesster

    ObsceneJesster New Member

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    I just purchased 6 boxes of Federal Champion .40/180gr. from Wal-Mart for the first time. After inspecting all 6 boxes, most of the casings in every box appear to be dirty. It may even be corrosion which I have never seen before. I have also noticed a couple other things with these rounds. Some of the bullets have imperfections on the jacket such as scratches and a black sticky material on the tip which can be scratched off. Lastly, when comparing these rounds to some Winchester white box it appears the Federals are not seated flush with the casing. To be honest with you, the stuff looks like re-loads. Is this how Federal Champion from Wal-Mart always looks or did I get 6 bad boxes?

    I can take pictures if you want to see what they look like.
     
  2. ObsceneJesster

    ObsceneJesster New Member

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    Here are some photos. Should I return them or should they be ok? Is this normal for Federal Champions to look like this?

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  3. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I've never gotten a box like that but I did get a box of 30-06 that had a few dark spots on the brass, nothing on the bullet though. I shot them, tumbled the brass and the spots never came back.

    If they were mine, I would shoot them. I don't see anything that is of major concern if you plan to use them soon. The corrosion on the copper would concern me if I wanted to store them for a period of time but if you plan to use them soon, have fun.
     
  4. Logan2302

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    Ditto on shooting them .. Soon.

    IMHO, this is just what I would expect from Walmart. I buy ammo from Wally, but only for fun practice. I have got boxes of ammo from them that had different colors (brands) of primers, different bullets, discolored cases and bullets in the same box, but NO corrosion.
     
  5. ObsceneJesster

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    How soon should I shoot them. Can anyone confirm that the brass appears to be corroded?
     
  6. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    If you store them in a cool, dark, constant temp environment they wouldn't change for some time. So let's say you keep them in your bedroom closet and your house stays around 70...if you shoot them within a year you should be ok. Now if you pull them out a year from now and there is green stuff growing and stuff that looks like hair....don't even think about it. Extreme temp changes will speed up deterioration of ammo.

    The brass shows MILD corrosion. It looks like it's seen the oil of someone's skin or maybe some water at some point. I'm guessing you bought it at Walmart(I would, they're the cheapest) and they buy in volume. They also aren't very concerned about ammo storage(think 20 years from purchase) because 90% of it will be off their shelf and shot within 3 months.
    What you've got is like surface rust on sheet metal. Is it rust? Yes. Is the sheet of metal junk? HECK NO!!

    Seriously, don't over think it. Take it on your next range trip and have fun.
     
  7. ObsceneJesster

    ObsceneJesster New Member

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    Thanks for all the info. I will shoot them within the month and from now on before I buy ammo from Wal-Mart, I will open the box and inspect it before I purchase it. If the Wal-Mart employee has a problem with it, I will tell him the last 2 boxes of ammo I bout from here were corroded.
     
  8. ObsceneJesster

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    Do you guys think Wal-Mart will let me return these boxes and inspect the other boxes they had to see if I can find ammo that doesn't look like it's in the early stages of corrosion. I am hoping someone knowledgeable will be in the sporting goods department tomorrow because he will clearly see dents in the jacket and possible seating issues between the actual bullet and the brass.
     
  9. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I don't think so but you can get lucky. It all depends on the person you are talking to sometimes.
     
  10. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    No, they won't. They have a strict no return policy which is printed on the bottom of each receipt of ammo. You can try to argue with them but I doubt you'll win.

    Just go shoot it, there is nothing wrong with it. Heck, if I had a 40, I'd buy it from you.
     
  11. willfully armed

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    Federal champion is the same as blazer brass. Thin brass casing and cheap plated bullets.

    And I mean the same, not similar, because they are the same company.


    If you check any box of ammo from Walmart, the model number or part number will begin with an W or WM. Walmart sets forth a price for its suppliers therefore suppliers must cut corners in the manufacturing process to meet that price.

    So the box of WWB from your local dealer isn't the same as WWB from wallyworld.
     
  12. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I don't know if this is true or not (wouldn't surprise me) but I have no issues with their ammo or the brass. I've reloaded the brass numerous times with no issues and haven't found it to have any shorter life then any other brass I've used.
    As for the ammo, I've never had a misfire and accuracy is fine in pistol or rifle. I got behind this year and ended up using this in my 30-06 for deer. I consistantly got groups within an inch at 100yards and killed 2 deer with it.
    Is there better ammo out there? Absolutely, but there is nothing wrong with Federal Champion.
     
  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The brass is a little discolored. Certainly not corroded. Poor handling/storage can easily cause that. The black on the nose of 1 bullet is of no concern. As far as calling the ammo cheap because it uses a plated bullet? I can find no reference to Blazer ammo using plated bullets AND the top of the line Gold Dot is a plated bullet.
     
  14. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Robo, I've loaded enough plated to know it when I see it. They're plated.

    I never said there was anything wrong with it, its just cheap. God knows I've run through a mess of it in the last few years
     
  15. ObsceneJesster

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    I guess I can't complain to much being I only paid a little over $12 a box. If I have no problem with them at the range I will gladly purchase them again. I can live with discolored brass when it's this cheap. Would I use this ammo for self defense. Most likely not. That's what my PDX1's are for. But if they are accurate, feed well and don't leave my XDM to dirty after 200 rounds then I will be going back to Wal-Mart for 6 more boxes every day until I clean them out.:D
     
  16. ObsceneJesster

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    Just went to the range today and popped off 100 of these rounds. I had no problems with them at all. Plus I even thought they were more accurate than Winchester white box.

    I am going back to Wal-Mart and getting 6 more boxes tomorrow. I can deal with my ammo not being super shiny if there that cheap and shoot just fine.
     
  17. rifleman55

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    Why not learn to reload.
    I find it very relaxing and rewarding also. With some work, I now have loads for every one of my weapons that that gun likes and shoots better than factory loaded ammo, and I save money. It's a win, win.


    Just be sure to buy qulity equipment. If you are going to be reloading mostly for handgun, get the basic Dillon 550, not the progressive, the basic model.
    once you learn the finer points of reloading, you can buy what you need to turn it into a progressive and easily turn out upto 400 rounds an hour.
    If you have found the right powder and load, you will have geat ammo for your pistol.

    My Best, John K
     
  18. Boyerracing343

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    I found that very interesting and believable. Yet i just checked a box of 9mm Federal champions i purchased from Wall Mart a week ago and the part number does not start with a W or a WM. Maybe i got lucky or do you think it is still "wall mart Brand"

    I don't mind wall mart ammo cause i only use it for target practice, but i was just pondering on your post. I find this to be a fairly good discussion.
     
  19. billt

    billt New Member

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    I would contact Federal directly. I have literally thousands of rounds of Federal champion 9 MM and NONE of them look like that. I'm betting they'll replace it without any questions. Bill T.
     
  20. billt

    billt New Member

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    This is not correct. The only difference between Federal Champion and American Eagle is the jackets are slightly thinner. They are not "plated", nor are the cases different than any other brass that is used by Federal. If you doubt this E-Mail them. I did and that was the information I received. This is exactly how misinformation gets spread on the Internet. Bill T.