do you train in bad light sometimes?

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by uanda, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. uanda

    uanda New Member

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    That's when most attacks occur (statistically). Do you have tritium sight inserts? They are a huge help to fast hitting. I find using them makes my hits come a "hair" faster (.10-20 second) than getting the same hits takes me in daylight. That is, at least to 10 yds, which is all I care about.
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i think one of the big rules of proper gun safety is knowing your target.

    IOW's, i think a person should identify their target before firing. so being faster may not be the prudent manner of shooting if a person doesn't know what they are shooting at.
     

  3. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The cone cells in your eyes take 10-15 minutes to adjust to total darkness. In a HD situation at night you should be pretty well adjusted to the light/dark conditions in your own home. If you've been in bed with your eyes closed for a few hours, you're there. And some people keep a few small lights on at night.

    The only time I actively shoot in low-light conditions, (now that I can't shoot at Communists anymore), is when I hunt pigs after dusk. I use a 30-30 with iron sights, a small dab of white Testors paint on the front sight post. When Porky shows up, my eyes are adjusted.
     
  4. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    And BTW, if the BG is standing over you when you open your eyes, have a nice trip. Maybe along with tritium sight inserts, invest in some security devices or even a dog. Forewarned is forearmed.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree. a dog, any dog that barks and announces and intruder is worth it's weight in gold.

    and if a person lives in an apartment or rent house or can't have a dog, maybe due to allergies, then they should invest is some sort of alarm system.

    an alarm system, or a dog warning you of an intruder may buy you the time to save your life, by allowing you to get your gun and your eyes open.
     
  6. Winchester94

    Winchester94 New Member

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    I've done some dry fire practice in my house recently in low light and no light recently. It has definitely showed me that I desperately need a more modern handgun with better sights for home defense.
     
  7. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

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    I have Tritium night sights on my 1911 . I tried drawing and sighting in a dark bathroom and found I mistook one of the rear dots for the front dot . These sights are worthless as far as I'm concerned .

    Makes me sure the OP is a troll .
     
  8. Shoobee

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    I took a dusk and night tactical pistol class taught by local LEO's.

    Most of it involved holding a small tactical flashlight while shooting, using light and shadows to your advantage, etc.
     
  9. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Tactical flashlights are useful, especially in an unfamiliar setting or where there might be innocent bystanders. The disadvantage is that you sacrifice stealth.
     
  10. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes I do. And I consider 'night sights' a necessity on all my carry guns!:) And a 'light' handy to ID the target.;)
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    We are required to do a night qual each year. Night sites are required on all duty handguns. 95% have weapon mounted lights. Unfortuantely, with budget constraints actual training after dark has been severely curtailed.
     
  12. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You just need more practice. They make night sights with different colored dots on the front and rear sights for 'less coordinated' :p shooters.
    If I knew for a fact I was going to be in a shoot out in low light and had to chose between my vest and night sights I would take the night sights every time.:cool: Night sights increase hit probability 1000+% in low light.;)
     
  13. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    When I took my ccw class six years ago they had a shooting in the dark part to it. It was way above the requirements for the State of Colorado. I was in a pitch black room. It was an indoor range. There was an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper stapled to a sheet of cardboard about 7 yards in front of you. I am guessing distance. I guy flashes a flashlight across the target for about 2 seconds. It was to simulate a car driving by and its headlights shining in your window for a second or two. I was able to dump 10 rounds into that sheet of paper without missing. I haven't felt a need to do it since.
     
  14. masterPsmith

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    I always read and hear about the so called arm chair experts stating that you need better sights, IE: night sights, etc. For home defense this is "NOT" the case. You know your home better than anyone else ever could (situational awareness). Point shooting, without the use of sights for close quarters combat is your best training option. Remember that anything within the average home will be very close quarters. I have trained people in close quarters combat for many, many years. Remember, most encounters in the home will be in near or total darkness and sights will be of no value to you. If you have family members in the home, you need to formulate a plan with them for identification in any given situation to alleviate mistaken identity. Your hand gun should become an extension of your hand and point just like your index finger would as if you were looking at the target and pointing at the same time. Try it, look at a target and point your index finger at the target at the same time without looking at your finger. Then look at what your finger is pointing at. Your hand gun should do the same thing. It takes quite a lot of practice to become proficient at point shooting, but if you are using a hand gun for home defense, you need to learn to make it an extension of your hand without having to think about it. Commonly called muscle memory, it takes practice to achieve and practice to maintain. If you can't learn it on your own, seek someone out who can train you in the art of point shooting. You will be in a much better position to defend your home and family.




    Jim.................
     
  15. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jim,
    This is what I teach, and have done so for MANY years also:D. Two things.
    1. To be proficient at point shooting you MUST have a 'grip' witch results in your 'trigger' finger being parallel to the 'bore line'. Most of the semi-autos achieve this with a factory grip, but older revolvers require you to experiment with grips to find the one which is 'natural' to the shooter. When this is achieved you will find the to be almost second nature to those with normal eye/hand coordination to shoot very well.
    2. To day there is a culture which has been pushing laser sights very hard as the 'ultimate' sighting procedure. I have nothing against lasers IF you learn to point shoot first!!!! As matter of fact lasers can be used to teach point shooting.
    As I have said MANY times, "Murphy is alive and well and living in your basement" so don't count on technology when your life is at stake.
    (another) Jim:)
     
  16. John_Deer

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    I do practice shooting from the hip when I am playing a 22lr pistol. It would be prudent to practice shooting from the hip with my carry guns. I doubt there will be any difference between the 22 pistols and a larger caliber.
     
  17. deathkricket

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    Every month or so when I am on my training schedule I have a shoot that runs from day into night so I can train with my night sights and lights. For most people who carry a defensive firearm might realize you are more likely to use it at night in the city so why not have the advantage over a perp of being able to see your sights? Or if you can run around in the dark bob mundaning it then power to you.