Do you need a cpl to exercise self defense

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by clip11, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    I noticed in news stories where a self defense shooting occurs, the newspaper is always certain to mention the person had a cpl (if they did have one). To me, the tone of the articles are always that you need a cpl to exercise your right to self defense.

    What if you happens if you have a legally owned pistol and you shoot someone in self defense, but you dont have a cpl and it is in public, not in your home? What happens if say you use a shotgun or semi-auto rifle (CPL
    s dont cover these) for self defense in public?
     
  2. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    If you cannot carry the firearm legally, then you are screwed. Being under attack and defending yourself does not absolve the felony.

    Perhaps I don't understand. Who would be carrying a shotgun in public? Do you mean, like, you drop by the ATM on your way to the club and your hunting rifle is legally stowed in the trunk. Then when you are robbed and have the opportunity to retrieve your rifle, you use it, and what would happen?

    Well, the answer also depends on the attitude of your law enforcement agency.

    a) Follow the law
    b) Defend yourself in any way necessary

    Everything else will just work itself out.
     

  3. culdee

    culdee New Member

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    Cpl?

    I am curious. Am I the only one who doesn't know what a CPL is?
     
  4. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    Concealed pistol license (CPL)

    Carry a concealed weapon (CCW)

    Concealed Handgun License (CHL)

    They're all synonymous, based on the terminology of your state.
     
  5. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    CPL = Concealed Pistol License...may differ from a CCW in that certain long arms are not covered under a CPL. Was recently educated on the fact that this is the case in PA...thanks BB. ;)
     
  6. culdee

    culdee New Member

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    Ah Hah

    Thank you gentlemen. I have a NY, PA, and Utah CCW but was unfamiliar with the term CPL. Thanks.
     
  7. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    I mean if your shotgun or rifle is in reach for whatever reason, how would that be viewed? Are handguns the only weapon that can be used in self defense?
     
  8. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    No, you can use a rock for self defense if it's all you have...the issue is whether the gun used is being lawfully carried at the time. You may not be charged with homicide but you may be charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. The means of self defense should not change the justification of the use of force. Of course the presence of a longarm may bring intent or premeditation into the equation making the self defense claim a bit harder to prove...and you will most likely have to prove that regardless...
     
  9. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Actually in PA you have a License To Carry Firearms (LTCF). Similar to a CPL in that the statutory definition of firearms is as follows:

    Those dimensions are important since they define a longarm under Federal law, in short you cannot carry a longarm...only a pistol, very liberally defined.
     
  10. 556plinker

    556plinker New Member

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    Self defense is a universal right. I can't imagine a situation where someone would continue to attack when confronted with a shotgun or rifle so the burden of proof, as always, is on the winner. I would say it would be okay if, while standing in your front yard next to your pickup truck you retrieve your AK or AR and hose a carload of gangbangers who have stopped in the road to shoot up your residence.... do the world a favor, take cover and return fire. If an assailant fires first any long gun use would be permissible with the exception of a back shot. Do not say he was turning around and firing, the musculature assessment during the autopsy will confirm that he wasn't, unless he really was......hold your fire.

    In Public, like mcdonalds,the mall parking lot etc., if you are under fire or someone is on a murdering rampage there shouldn't be any sanctions for retrieving a lawfully owned weapon.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2011
  11. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    No, you don't need a license to defend yourself. If you are being attacked and a weapon is accessable, be it a pistol, rifle or shotgun, and you use it to protect your life or the life of a loved one anyone who thinks you've done wrong is an idiot. Be well prepared for that idiot though because they are everywhere and a number of them are running this nation.

    You're going to have some serious questions to answer for if you defend yourself with a weapon that was hidden on your person without the proper license. I don't agree with the license but until it changes I pay the $90 every 5 years so I stay within the laws.
     
  12. oldshooter

    oldshooter New Member

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    "I don't agree with the license but until it changes I pay the $90 every 5 years so I stay within the laws."

    $90.00 is all???????
    Where I live that won't even get you started.
    I hate living in the PRK