Do not use in firearms with ported barrels ???

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Buggz, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. Buggz

    Buggz New Member

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    Hello

    I recently bought Federal Champion FMJ .45 rounds

    I bought five of the 100 round value packs

    Once I got home I was reading the box and it flat out says:
    " Do not use in firearms with ported barrels or ported recoil compensators"

    I have my new RIA 1911 and also my Glock 21C with has a ported compensator...

    So apparently, I am only going to shoot these through my RIA..

    Now my question is, why would the box say that? they are 230 grain bullets... are they just that cheap? they won't have enough blow back power with a ported barrel to work the slide?

    I figured the price was too good to be true, but I guess my 1911 will get a lot of action though

    Any thoughts will be helpful, Thanks
     
  2. kytowboater

    kytowboater Active Member

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    My thoughts would be the reduced powder charge.
     

  3. jim8115

    jim8115 New Member

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    I believe it is because they are actually plated, not jacketed. Seems like I got some of them for a 9mm once..

    JIM
     
  4. Old_Crow

    Old_Crow New Member

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    I would call federal and find out why they can't be shot in a ported barrel. They might shoot flames out of the ports or they might be under powered. I would bet flames are the problem. You can't sue an ammo manufacturer because the gun won't function.
     
  5. Buggz

    Buggz New Member

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    That's not too bad of an idea
    I think I will give them a call, and will update the post with an answer
    Thanks everyone
     
  6. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    They are plated. Small amounts of the jacket could possibly shear off.
     
  7. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I wouldn't shoot lead bullets through a ported weapon either.

    Use them in your 1911. I'm not a great fan of the 1911, but this is one area where it shines.

    When I shot bullseye competition with a Colt Gold Cup NM, I used 10X more lead bullets than jacketed in practice. The plated are as good, or maybe even a little better. Use them in your 1911 and enjoy!:)
     
  8. res45

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    Most likely there plated bullets or there is some issue with the bullets stripping jacketed material off as it passes by the ports. FMJ bullets generally have an open base with exposed lead while plated bullets are fully encapsulated by the copper plating.

    Although the box says FMJ it could be plated I pulled some bullets for CCI Blazer brass 115 gr. RN and it was loaded with plated bullets.
     
  9. Buggz

    Buggz New Member

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    Ok so what I understand now (excuse my ignorance on the subject) is that they are lead tip bullets plated with thin metal
    that if I shoot them out my Glock, pieces of that thin metal may sperate and come out the ports
    So I will only be shooting them from my 1911

    Other than the box saying do not shoot for ported barrel, are there any other ways to know if the bullets I'm buying are plated?

    Thanks everyone
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2012
  10. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Plated bullets look cheap. The jacket is thin and irregular, with many imperfections.


    Actual Jacketed bullets are smooth and uniform.
     
  11. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    True. They look like sh!t. But they shoot quite well indeed. :)
     
  12. res45

    res45 New Member

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    Plated bullets have come a long way since they first appeared on the market. My Berry's 9mm 124 gr. thick plated HBRN bullets can be fired at 1450 fps. so there they can be loaded to the same velocity as equal weight FMJ's.

    As far as appearance I think they look just as good as the FMJ's. Berry's 124 gr. plated on L Win. 124 gr. FMJ on the R.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    plated berry's is pretty much all i use. i use them at 1400ish fps out of a ported 460 rowland. there is some backblast with burnt powder hitting my face time to time. so if im hit with flecks of copper better that than flecks of lead from a uncovered bullet base. when i shoot the rowland i use wrap around eye protection so none of that has a chance to get to my eyes.

    but since porting and compensators tend to redirect blast to the rear (at the shooter) they are prolly lawyering up. thats the only thing i can think of. i sure wouldnt want to fire a regular open lead based fmj out of a ported gun. vaporized lead gasses suck

    plated bullets do not shed their jackets. ive had plenty of standard open base fmj come apart on impact. a lot of indoor ranges wont let you use anything but tmj or plated bullets for hazmat reasons
     
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  14. Old_Crow

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    What confuses me is what is the difference between "plated" and "jacketed"? Most of the bullets that are still intact when I clean my dirt pile are 9mm. I use WWB for 9mm practice. There is no exposed lead on the bottom of a WWB. I have never bought a TMJ in my life. Friends might have shot TMJ but not that I have noticed.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2012
  15. JonM

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    Tmj is total metal jacket. Plated bullets fall under that description. Fmj that is covered up completely is a plated bullet in most cases.

    I believe but not 100% sure winchester whitbix is plated. I dont use much if any shelf ammo except 380acp as i dont shoot a lot of it and my main sd round is winchester white box fmj 380. It sure looks plated to me.
     
  16. delbert

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    I have Berry's and Ranier Ballistics plated bullets that I load for a Glock 20C. They shoot great as long as you keep them slow. Once you pass a certain speed, the compensator ports will tear a chunk out of the side of the jacket. Don't remember offhand what that speed is.
     
  17. Buggz

    Buggz New Member

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    Interesting
     
  18. canebrake

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    It's a cover their azz statement.

    It's directed to PD guns.

    Never use a ported gun for Personal Defense!

    In low light situations, you blind the shooter.

    DO NOT USE ported barrels in any carry scenario.

    Trust this old man on this. [​IMG]