Do I need concealed carry?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Grog, Apr 29, 2010.

  1. Grog

    Grog New Member

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    Hi guys.
    Let me explain my situation. 25 years ago I worked in downtown Cleveland. One evening I was leaving work...alone and last guy out. I had to drive through a large fenced gate, get out of my car, swing the gate closed and padlock it, get back in my car and go. It was getting dark early...so right around twilight. Something felt wrong and just because I was spooked I turned around...there was a guy sneaking up on me along the parked cars (in the street)....as soon as he knew I had seen him (he was about 50 feet away) he just stood up, turned around and walked away. Scared the poop out of me. A friend took me to the range and showed me the basics of shooting. Fast forward 25 years...



    Recently (in January) I took a u-haul type truck half full of boxes and stuff to our storage locker (alone). It was Sunday evening around 8 pm and dark. The storage place is in an industrial parkway and was closed. It was winter so no one was outside. I had that same spooked feeling (like 25 years ago) and it was the longest 90 minutes i have had in a while. I saw no one and left the place ok but it took me longer to unload because of all the looking over my shoulder and around corners. I wished I had a gun...is this a reaonable concealed carry situation?


    We are moving to South Carolina.
    I have not owned a gun but am going to buy one (or two) for home defense and possibly concealed carry. Heres the thing...do I need the concealed carry? I would like to have it if needed but do not expect to carry all that often.

    Reasons for...
    Driving cross country (during move and once a year).
    Completely unfamiliar surroundings and areas.
    Home protection (including classes for me and my wife)
    Not being able to just run away (what do I tell my 5 year old...you go left and I will go right...meet me at home in half an hour...good luck)

    Reasons against????

    Thanks, Grog
     
  2. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I believe that every law abiding citizen should take a course, buy a gun and get a permit. The crime rate would plumit. I am not a proponent of open carry. If everybody open carried, it would be easy to choose a target. It is the fear that someone might be carrying that deters crime. With open carry, if someone sneaks up on you they can see your gun. If you don't see them they might try to grab it. I know that sounds crazy. But, people who go around robbing people in the dark, already have something wrong with them.
     

  3. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    First thought is check state laws before carrying cross country. Not all states reciprocate CCW permit privileges. IE California.

    To me reasons for someone to not carry go to the person carrying. Are they trained well enough to handle a gun in a life or death situation? Will they panic and shoot a homeless guy asking for spare change.

    Are they responsible enough to be trusted with the gun? A guy here recently brought out his gun after drinking too much and is now in jail awaiting trial for murder.

    I feel I am of an age that I am level headed enough to responsibly carry. Unfortunately the state I live in does not agree.



    Here is a posting you may want to read.

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f17/read-before-you-decide-carry-11962/
     
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  4. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    My house has never flooded since it was built 45 years ago, but my neighbor's house has. My wife insists we keep the flood insurance just in case.

    That is the same reason you carry... just in case. You hope you never have to use a gun, but you and your loved ones will regret it for the rest of your life if you could have carried, but didn't.


    CCW may very well be the most important insurance policy you ever acquire.
     
  5. utf59

    utf59 New Member

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    There are people who don't own cars who still have a driver's license. When you need the license (driver's or concealed carry) it's usually too late to take the class, submit the application and wait on the state.

    Get the training and the CCW. Then carry — or don't — as you feel the need.
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I believe Wisconsin only allows for open carry, but no concealed. This fear should not be when looking at Wisconsin's history.
     
  7. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    I would expect that none of the people that get robbed, raped, assaulted, or worse today actually expected bad things would happen to them.

    I feel better knowing I can carry a gun to hopefully avoid bad things happening to me...
     
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  8. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    25 years was a long time ago. I would suggest to get re-acquainted with some handguns. Go to a range, or enroll in a basic handgun course and get some more hands on assistance safety and instruction training from a qualified instructor. This will also give you a chance to find a handgun that fits you and are comfortable with.

    You are wanting to obtain a firearm for self and family protection, so once you settle on your personal choice, the transition begins. You will need to familiarize yourself with its' use, handling and function, practice, practice, practice! Firing it on target and able to react quickly in a misfire or FTF situations and get back on target. More importantly, know how to handle and use in a manor that will be to your best advantage in a stressful and threatening situation.

    In a stressful situation, with the adrenalin dump, all fine motor skills drop to gross motor skills, everything you do from that moment on is muscle memory and there is no room for error...period.

    You see, it is not as simple as just buying a gun and relying on a friend's basic instructions 25 years ago. A lot of things changed in that timespan and there's more to it than just buying a gun. YMMV

    Jack
     
  9. Grog

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    I have a friend with 21 years of army experience. He is now retired and said that he would teach my wife and I the proper military handling/shooting of handguns. The plan is to go to the range (with military guy) and rent some pistols. Get a feel for what we want....as many times as neccessary. Make a purchase(or purchases), then take a class...together. Go to range a few times and then take CCW class. I was hoping to get Ohio CCW before moving. South Carolina is a reciprocity state.

    What is the reasoning behind keeping it concealed...why can it not be visible? I am not a show off and do not want to make any one nervous but there seem to be serious repercussions if it shows...why?

    Grog.
     
  10. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Some states are just that way, Florida is another with a concealed only policy. Here in GA you may carry either way with a permit...
     
  11. carloglock19

    carloglock19 New Member

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    I initially got my CCW with the intention of only carrying every once in a while and had that idea in mind...... now I carry every chance I get after work and on the weekend it has become a part of me as much as range time and keeping current with the gun laws. Good luck!
     
  12. MoHawk

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    Here is my question... and a reason I carry. You stated that you were interested in having a CCL but would not carry all the time. If it is a time that you are NOT carrying, and you get that spooked feeling again, what happens?
     
  13. Grog

    Grog New Member

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    Let me answer your question with one of my own. It seems Like half of the places I frequent...sons school, almost any store, city parks, restaurants, (I dont go to bars and even if I did I understand how stupid that would be) my place of employment, library....etc. What do you do with your handgun? What if you get all the way to the front door and there is a sign saying NO GUNS?

    It seems like more trouble than its worth...except for occasions that you know might be risky. Traveling, alone at some storage facility, my own store or auto garage, Hells Angels bar...I just dont expect much trouble picking my son up from elementary school.

    Grog
     
  14. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Neither did the students at Virginia Tech.

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    Why do I carry?

    Because an armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.​
     
  15. Grog

    Grog New Member

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    Not trying to argue here and I do not know the gun laws (one of the reasons I am here) but isn't it illegal to take a gun into a school? Thats kind of my point...it is not allowed at so many places.

    Grog
     
  16. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    If it's illegal then why did the shooter have the gun in school? Does illegal apply only to law abiding citizens?

    Why do you think the bastards shoot up "gun free" zones?????

    They need a surprise once in a while. Bet the shooting would stop real quick!
     
  17. MoHawk

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    I have a feeling if the HA in your neck of the woods are like any where else, then 1) they aren't worried about you unless you are from a rival M/C, and 2) you are already out gunned.




    I also agree with CaneBrake.... IF a crazed shooter caught a HP to the back of the dome piece, other's would think twice
     
  18. c3shooter

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    OK- first a reality check- if you ask a forum full of gun buffs, what do you THINK you will hear? :p

    OK- to get serious for a minute (am only alloted a few serious minutes a day)

    YES- there are places you cannot carry legally. I seriously endeavor to avoid breaking the law, since I am alergic to jail. By Federal alw you may not carry in a post office, courtroom, most Federal buildings, military installations. STATE laws vary state to state. Here in VA I cannot carry in a school (school means k-12) but I CAN legally have one in my vehicle, since I have a CHL. I cannot take a gun into a courtroom, but I can carry one in the State Capitol bldg.

    Yes, I usually carry. There is a difference between being paranoid, and understanding what is going on around you. People have been assaulted and killed in about any setting you can name- from Mickey D's parking lot to sitting in church- and any time of day. Does fear of that drive my life? No- but I live in a rural area, with a volunteer fire department a LONG way off- and I have more and larger fire extinguishers than some folks.

    Being aware of an imminent threat is your first line of defense- it allows you to AVOID getting into a position that you WILL have to defend yourself. But I carry for the day that I pull into a parking space, and find someone immediately trying to pull my car door open. That DID happen to a friend. The perp had a knife in hand, and really bad luck in chosing victims. Norm is a police officer.

    Whether you go armed none, some, most, or all of the time is your call- and it is one of the most personal decisions you can make. Last year I was driving with granddaughter, on way to museum she wanted to visit- and we found ourselves at a traffic light in really BAD neighborhood. My bad- and damn you, GPS! the 13 yr old was checking out the streets, looked over at me, reached over, lifted my jacket, saw the sidearm, smiled, lowered jacket, and sat back in seat. SHE understands.

    OK- my minute's up. Need to go get goofy with one of the younguns.
     
  19. Grog

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    Just wanted to see if you were paying attention...Hells Angels.

    I dont know if you guys are joking or being serious. Do you mean to tell me that its ok to take a gun into a school? or that you do it anyway? or that it should be ok?

    What do I do with my pistol when it is not allowed in or near someplace?
    Grog.