Do 2-point slings aid in aiming?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by bigred61, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. bigred61

    bigred61 New Member

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    I remember my grandpa, from when I was a kid, pulling out a rifle and showing my brother how to wrap the strap around his arm to aim better. DO ar's have this function and benefit? Most of what I have read about 2 point slings is to hold the rifle in various positions, not so much for stabilizing while shooting. I realize the question my sound dumb, but I am still a bit new to the ar platform.

    Thanks for looking!

    Ashton
     
  2. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Yes, it helps, and is a good tool to use, often.
     

  3. bigred61

    bigred61 New Member

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    Any suggestions? The AR I have is a S&W M&P with some magpul stuff on it, I am happy with there products and see they make a 2 point;

    http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG509/51

    What is a "qd" I am assuming quick disconnect?

    Ashton
     
  4. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    First off all my ARs have free float hand guards that are 12" or longer (except the pistol)........ I like to attach the sling as far forward as possible for stability.
     
  5. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    A 2 point sling attached at the sight post can be used to stabilize the rifle leading to better accuracy. Same concept used with a vertical foregrip when a single point or no sling is being used.
     
  6. pfev1980

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    I would say that the strap can definitely aid in distance shooting, but it's really kind of a field expedient solution for unsupported shooting. If you are shooting from the prone, kneeling or sitting or a supported position, I don't notice much difference in stability wrapping the sling or not wrapping it. All that being said, if you are out shooting pigs from the standing, it's a great technique. If you are bench shooting, I personally wouldn't bother. Lastly if your AR is your go to weapon for addressing a bump in the dark, I don't think the distance you are going to be working with really warrants much more than sighting in over the barrel and pulling the trigger. Not really so precise shooting that wrapping your sling is really necessary.
     
  7. bigred61

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  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Same principles on any rifle. And a very light rifle may be less stable than a heavier rifle. However, one note on sling or bipod on M16/ AR style rifles- if you have a light contour barrel (as opposed to a heavy barrel) it CAN flex under pressure.

    When using a deliberate sling, it can move the point of impact down and left. Using a bipod (especially if the sling is grabbed beneath the bipod and pulled down) can move the strike of the bullet up.

    If you are using a rifle at 25 meters- sling is pretty immaterial. However, when you are trying to add some stability to that 350 meter shot from the kneeling position, it can help a lot.

    And why kneeling? Because you don't have a benchrest, prone you are in 18" high weeds and can't see crap, and standing offhand is the LEAST stable shooting position ( other than one handed, hanging upside down out of a helicopter door)
     
  9. bigred61

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    Gonna have to add that to the bucket list, sounds fun ;)

    Back to your point about changing poi, I have a 1:9 twist in my S&W M&P, should this be something to worry about? And yes I would be using this for hunting.

    Ashton
     
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  10. c3shooter

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    The change in POI was due to flexing (bending) a very light weight barrel by pulling on it externally.

    As far as rate of twist, in my opinion, you have a good one for most uses.

    1/9" twist: will stabilize bullets ranging in weight from 40 grains to 75 grains. And yes, it is actually the LENGTH of a bullet, and not the weight- but heavier bullets are usually longer, so it works out.

    For hunting, would find the heaviest bullet your rifle shoots well, zero with that bullet, and don't look back.
     
  11. c3shooter

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    And as far as the bucket list, there for a while thought I was about to close out the list, and no, it was NOT fun. But it does allow you to shoot UNDER a banking aircraft at people that are on the other side of the aircraft.
     
  12. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you have something like a quick adjust 2 point, something similar to what Blue Force Gear sells, then yes. You can use the adjustment tab to cinch the sling tight for firing the weapon and pinning it in place when you're not using it. Wrapping your arm in the sling also helps and doesn't require anything more than a carrying strap. That said, I find that the quick adjust 2 point slings work best. YMMV.

    With respect to the AR, don't cinch the sling too tight or you can induce inaccuracy. If the barrel has been floated because you have a float tube or monolithic upper, this is less of a concern.