Discussion of open carry

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by clip11, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    I was having a discussion about open carry with my cousin and he said he didnt feel it was right. No facts or evidence of it being wrong, he just didnt "feel it was right". In discussing the topic, he kept discussing from a standpoint of feeling and emotion, while I discussed from facts, such as the fact that it is legal. I asked the difference between a gun and knife, he said a knife could be used for other purposes, while a gun can only be used to kill. So I asked that if I were to go into the kitchen and grab the biggest butcher knife I could find and came and stabbed him 30 times would he be any less dead than if I shot him in the head with one of my pistols. We both agreed he would be just as dead.

    The point was that alot of things can be used to kill, but people just villify guns for some reason. I guess it is because alot of lawmakers feel the way he does instead of the way I do that there exists so many restrictive gun laws there are today.

    He even told me the most ridiculous reason I should not carry a gun......because it might be "my time to go". Thats right, I'm supposed to happily let someone kill me because it might be my time to go! Thats stupid! I would rather it be my attacker than me. I told him you can walk around unarmed and feel that way, but I think exactly the opposite.
     
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  2. murraywc

    murraywc New Member

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    guns only have one purpose but as an electrician I carry a knife on my belt all of the time for stripping wire. Yes it would kill you but that is not its purpose. Open carry does not help anything. It gives people an uneasiness. I carry but only concealed its legal to open carry here with permit but the only people I know that open carry look like they should be in Waco or Deliverence and make people uneasy which does nothing for gun rights. It just makes you look like some kind of fanatic.
     

  3. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    What if the only way someone can carry is openly, should they not carry at all? If not why not?

    People dont have anything to fear from guns. When I walk into a gun shop and the guys behind the counter are open carrying, I dont take a crap in my pants, I dont even pay them any attention! Now if they took it out and angrily started waving it around, thats another story.
     
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  4. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    This point I'm about to make has been made before, but here goes. I won't open carry because that would make me a major focus of 1) verbal attack, 2) BG attack because I'm the biggest threat, or 3) someone's fear that I'm about to hurt them. I don't want to scare people or flex my constitutional muscle.

    I just quietly carry my firearm in a responsible, legal, and discrete manner.

    Not to say open carry shouldn't be legal! You can't get much more accessible than a tactical holster on your thigh.
     
  5. murraywc

    murraywc New Member

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    I probably wouldn't can you not conceal carry. Its one thing behind the counter at a gun shop people who go in there are expecting it but what about the little old lady behind you in the bank or the super market thats a different story.
     
  6. Gatekeeper

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    I'd have no problem with the little old lady carrying a 45 on her hip in the supermarket.
    :p
     
  7. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    1. In banks around here you cant get into a bank with weapons cus they have security doors with metal detectors so you cant get in if you have a weapon.

    2. I dont care what the old lady at the supermarket thinks. I may not like her wig.
     
  8. Flintlock

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    None of the negatives you mentioned about open carry are prevalent on a day to day basis. I have open carried in multiple states and all of what you mentioned is absurd. If you are not willing to "flex your constitutional muscle," then perhaps you should re-evaluate your reason for carrying in the first place. Just my opinion.
     
  9. murraywc

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    Maybe your reason to carry is to make a statement or scare people. That is not what was intended when the second ammendment was added to the Bill of Rights. It was added so that we could have protection and a way to hunt to provide for ourselves. People did not die in the wars to provide us with a right to show off our hardware. I think open carry is an irresponcible way of making a statement. I'm all for carrying but in a discreat manner.
     
  10. pandamonium

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    IMO, this really shouldn't be an issue at all. This whole country, including the majority of red blooded pistol-packin American Patriots, have had our minds poisoned by the entire gun control movement. Society today is, for the most part, afraid when they see someone carrying a gun openly and they do not see a badge to go with it.
    This truely should never have happened. Gun control has conditioned people to BE afraid of guns. Hoplophobia. We as gun owners, and 2A activists(and we should all be sending letters and supporting your flavor of activist group) have come a long way in the past 15-20 years, still we have a very long way to go. With dedicated efforts on all of our parts, never relenting, voting out the trash, and fighting the good fight, I do believe we can achieve the true UNIFRINGED right to bear arms.
    Now, with all that said, as people become more and more accustomed to others carrying firearms, either concealed or open, this irrational fear will fade. I know for a fact that there are many members here who remember walking around the neighborhood with their .22's, having shotguns and rifles in the gun rack in their pick up, and no one gave it a second thought.
    We, as a country, need to get this back. This the only way we can be a free people, in a country free of tyranny.
    This is some thing I learned recently( thanks BKT), the second ammendment only limits the FEDERAL government, states are free to make all the gun laws they want. This because the 2A was never incorporated to the states, as was the 1A. That is where the whole problem lies,IMO.
    So anyway, my opinion on open carry, I live in NJ, so if I had ANY way to legaly carry you can bet your a$$ that I would,open or concealed.
     
  11. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Don't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and
    (IMO) using OC to show how much of a "man" one is, really shows immaturity and is a good reason for one not to own a firearm.
     
  12. Flintlock

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    You are severley misinformed if that's what you believe. The second amendment says nothing about protection or hunting. It is not about duck hunting or shooting burglars. It certainly isn't my intention to scare people but I don't have any control about how others think or feel. It concerns me how people dress, tattoo and pierce themselves, but I don't think it should be illegal or wrong just because I think it is weird.

    Furthermore, it disturbs me that there are gun owners out there that only believe in the part of the second amendment that says "to keep" and not the part that says "to bear." Goodness gracious...
     
  13. Flintlock

    Flintlock New Member

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    Spoken like a true anti...
     
  14. Flintlock

    Flintlock New Member

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    I guess that's the main difference between Florida, Oregon, and Alaska. We actually believe in freedom and constitutional carry... Perhaps you will get there someday, but it won't happen with attitudes like that... We need to speak with one voice..

    Perhaps you all should spend some time here and learn the facts...
    OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!
     
  15. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I believe in carry, but not as a way for someone to prove that they are "macho".
     
  16. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    Partial quote and bold added for emphasis.

    This is exactly what is wrong with the liberals who (unfortunately) make up a large percentage of the population of this (once) great country. Liberals argue from emotions, not facts. Liberals promote programs based on conceptual ideals, not on logical and practical thought processes. They continue to advocate issues based on how things could be instead of how things really are. Then later, they are truely flabbergasted when their socialist programs fail and only add to the dysfunction and create more negative social issues.

    Somehow our country has gotten so soft, and our educational system has become so touchy-feely that these conceptual only thinking people have been allowed to survive and flourish instead of falling prey to economic Darwinism. In a true competetive society, where only results count, these libertards would have died out or been thrown out of the group.
     
  17. Flintlock

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    Not that I need to prove myself to you but I laughed when I read your post. To carry the way I do for the purposes of being "macho" is a line straight from the Brady Campaign. Literally..

    Perhaps you are biased considering you may have never seen the act in person considering it is illegal in your state. It probably seems foreign to you.

    In my state, it is not uncommon, the masses are desensitized, and it is a practical form of carry. Not to mention comfortable... Wouldn't you like to combat the heat of Florida by carrying in a OWB holster with no concern of printing or feeling the need to hide your weapon as though you are afraid to exercise your rights?

    I also support concealed carry as well and I practice both methods. That is to say, I support all methods of carry. I don't walk around open carrying all day, all of the time. It depends on the day and the situation. But to be opposed to open carry outright is to be opposed to the true and original meaning of the 2nd amendment.
     
  18. Pat-inCO

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    Sounds like far too much testosterone, to me.

    The majority of people living in metropolitan areas understand that, while legal in many states, open carry is very close to "tugging on Superman's cape" or "spitting into the wind". Why would anyone with more than half a brain go out to purposely antagonize others?

    People that live in large metropolitan areas (well, at least many of them) have come to realize that "shall issue" avails them of a way to legally carry in a mode that DOES NOT make them stand out, that DOES NOT antagonize others, that DOES NOT provoke unnecessary attention of Law Enforcement. Any that have jobs in large corporations understand that unnecessary attention of Law Enforcement often means "looking for a new job", so avoid it when ever possible.
     
  19. Dzscubie

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    Flintlock,

    I respect your opinion and understand your belief in open carry and right to do so. I do however disagree with your blanket belief that if someone disagrees with your opinion that they are contributing or have the same belief as the anti-gun Brady group. I have lived in Alaska and I can understand how open carry can be acceptable to the majority of the population as Alaska is still considered the last great frontier. But, and this is a big but, the lower 48 is a complete different animal even though we would like to consider it the same. In my opinion you can’t compare the environment in Alaska with the environment in most of the lower 48 states. An example is how would people in downtown Las Angles react to a moose walking down the street and how people in Alaska would react you just can’t compare them as they are conditioned by their environment. In my opinion open carry is very similar as you can paint it with a broad brush and say accept it because I have the right and I’m going to do it and even if it bothers a lot of people well that’s their problem. I think education and a non-in your face approach is what is needed to correct the misconceptions that have pervaded our society on guns, but that is my opinion only. All I’m saying is yes I believe in the right of open carry but I also believe in being responsible and respectful of other people’s beliefs and concerns. Again this is my opinion.
     
  20. Dgunsmith

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    Open carry has caused the City Manager of Longmont Colorado to ask the City Attorney to draft an ordnance banning open carry in City Buildings and Library's.

    This is due to a loud mouth activist that comes to City Council meetings with his pistol on his hip.

    This same guy routinely comes into City Offices and the "Female Employees" are intimidated by seeing the pistol. They would not be IF he acted adult and didn't raise his voice about every issue dear to him.

    The City Manager has NO PROBLEM with CCW in the same facilities as they are not visible and people have a right to defend themselves. CCW holders would still be able to have their concealed firearms under the proposed law.

    Open Carry advocates: learn from this ! :eek: